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| IKE |
Posted - 03/17/2012 : 10:05:04
geothermal is not renewable. the gasses in there around here are amongst the most toxic in the world. when they poke in a bladder of steam, they have no idea where it will blow out, could be your backyard.... couple years ago they had a blowout that they could not cap for three days - was so loud that people in orchidland, up close to hawaiian acres, coulod not hear their tv.
its true no geothermal in hawaii .. is not one thinking about the sacrifce of the island and people for now and years to come..what happend to the wells and the plant when the geo stops producing the amounts of energy they want. lets not have it that one day we all wake up and hawaii is gone,due to being replaced by geo plants and other aina harming energy producing depleaters
IKE PAYNE |
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| opihikao |
Posted - 05/12/2012 : 08:07:56
There will be a County Council Committee meeting on 5/16/12 at 10:00am at the County Bldg. (in Hilo). Dominic Yagong has drafted a bill relating to the Relocation Fund. Please review the bill carefully, and submit testimony either for or against the changes.
Agenda:
http://records.co.hawaii.hi.us/Weblink8/0/doc/769114/Page1.aspx
Communication 710 Document:
http://records.co.hawaii.hi.us/WebLink8/0/doc/769013/Page1.aspx
Bill 256 Document (Draft #1):
http://records.co.hawaii.hi.us/WebLink8/0/doc/769016/Page1.aspx
Submit Testimony:
Office of the County Clerk at 25 Aupuni Street, Hilo, HI 96720, by facsimile to (808) 961-8912; or by e-mail to counciltestimony@co.hawaii.hi.us. |
| fishimani |
Posted - 05/04/2012 : 17:54:12
Are we asking the right questions? Since we are now in an age where "easy energy" supplied by petroleum products brought to us by petroleum powered vehicles, maintaned with petroleum products which were delivered with petroleum powered vehicles, removed from the earth by petroleum powered machines etc.... (the list goes on and on)... we are not able to perpetuate the standard of living that Americans have grown accustomed to; with geothermal energy or otherwise (tidal, wind and solar, ethanol, nuclear...) the nation's infrastructure is dependent on fossil fuels (and the sky is up... i know) even with advancements in technology for alternative energies including geothermal...it just isn't possible. In this particular case it seems to me that this is a moot point; short of a worldwide enlightment and subsequent change from a consumer oriented mindset...(i'm not holding my breath) this expansion is only going to prolong the inevitable economic, environmental and climatological collapse of our civilization. Personally i am against geothermal developments, i am also against any other developments that are going to require the use of more land for development.... Seeing as how i (and everyone else) is going to realize how we depend on the aina for life in the not-too-distant future... i would appreciate less holes in he ground unless you plan on putting taro there. Thanks!
-Pete |
| liskir |
Posted - 04/23/2012 : 17:13:17
Kenoi on the spot re geothermal 3/12/12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP_uuh4RdvM&feature=relmfu |
| opihikao |
Posted - 04/16/2012 : 07:41:55
Hollinger - What did you find out from the Maori people in New Zealand? Please share. Those (Maori people) I have talked to and read about, think IDG has done for them what ORMAT and other developers would not. In fact, the Maori Queen asked IDG for help when their government was trying to screw them just like our government & ORMAT is screwing with us.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1104/S00851/hawaiis-idg-tapped-for-major-nz-geothermal-project.htm
http://www.tenahulovell.co.nz/energy.php
http://www.energybusinessnews.com.au/2011/05/03/hawaii-firm-joins-maori-on-geothermal/
http://www.koha.biz/2010/06/power-to-the-people/
This is just a few of the articles regarding NZ & IDG. Maybe if you Google NZ Maori Trust Lands/IDG, you'll become more educated about what really is happening in NZ.
It's fine to have opinions based on facts, not rumor and personal issues against geothermal as a whole. Appreciate hearing what part of IDG is "bull". Please explain. Thanks.
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| hollinger54 |
Posted - 04/15/2012 : 19:38:38
Uh hello Saab do a little research please before saying something asinine like Geothermal doesn't produce exhaust, Of course there is, it is an issue that each technique has their own way of dealing with. Here we pump the excess steam and exhaust back into the ground. Where there are plenty of lava tubes that riddle Puna. Ask New Zealand how there Geothermal is going. IDG is full of bull. You see the landscape at theirs?
Hollinger |
| whalesong |
Posted - 04/13/2012 : 13:27:15
Our voice doesn't count, read the following:
EXECUTIVE ORDER
SUPPORTING SAFE AND RESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT OF UNCONVENTIONAL DOMESTIC NATURAL GAS RESOURCES
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to coordinate the efforts of Federal agencies responsible for overseeing the safe and responsible development of unconventional domestic natural gas resources and associated infrastructure and to help reduce our dependence on oil, it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. Policy. In 2011, natural gas provided 25 percent of the energy consumed in the United States. Its production creates jobs and provides economic benefits to the entire domestic production supply chain, as well as to chemical and other manufacturers, who benefit from lower feedstock and energy costs. By helping to power our transportation system, greater use of natural gas can also reduce our dependence on oil. And with appropriate safeguards, natural gas can provide a cleaner source of energy than other fossil fuels.
For these reasons, it is vital that we take full advantage of our natural gas resources, while giving American families and communities confidence that natural and cultural resources, air and water quality, and public health and safety will not be compromised.
While natural gas production is carried out by private firms, and States are the primary regulators of onshore oil and gas activities, the Federal Government has an important role to play by regulating oil and gas activities on public and Indian trust lands, encouraging greater use of natural gas in transportation, supporting research and development aimed at improving the safety of natural gas development and transportation activities, and setting sensible, cost-effective public health and environmental standards to implement Federal law and augment State safeguards.
Because efforts to promote safe, responsible, and efficient development of unconventional domestic natural gas resources are underway at a number of executive departments and agencies (agencies), close interagency coordination is important for effective implementation of these programs and activities. To formalize and promote ongoing interagency coordination, this order establishes a high-level, interagency working group that will facilitate coordinated Administration policy efforts to support safe and responsible unconventional domestic natural gas development.
Sec. 2. Interagency Working Group to Support Safe and Responsible Development of Unconventional Domestic Natural Gas Resources. There is established an Interagency Working Group to Support Safe and Responsible Development of Unconventional Domestic Natural Gas Resources (Working Group), to be chaired by the Director of the Domestic Policy Council, or a designated representative.
(a) Membership. In addition to the Chair, the Working Group shall include deputy-level representatives or equivalent officials, designated by the head of the respective agency or office, from:
(i) the Department of Defense;
(ii) the Department of the Interior;
(iii) the Department of Agriculture;
(iv) the Department of Commerce;
(v) the Department of Health and Human Services;
(vi) the Department of Transportation;
(vii) the Department of Energy;
(viii) the Department of Homeland Security;
(ix) the Environmental Protection Agency;
(x) the Council on Environmental Quality;
(xi) the Office of Science and Technology Policy;
(xii) the Office of Management and Budget;
(xiii) the National Economic Council; and
(xiv) such other agencies or offices as the Chair may invite to participate.
(b) Functions. Consistent with the authorities and responsibilities of participating agencies and offices, the Working Group shall support the safe and responsible production of domestic unconventional natural gas by performing the following functions:
(i) coordinate agency policy activities, ensuring their efficient and effective operation and facilitating cooperation among agencies, as appropriate;
(ii) coordinate among agencies the sharing of scientific, environmental, and related technical and economic information;
(iii) engage in long-term planning and ensure coordination among the appropriate Federal entities with respect to such issues as research, natural resource assessment, and the development of infrastructure;#8195;
(iv) promote interagency communication with stakeholders; and
(v) consult with other agencies and offices as appropriate.
Sec. 3. General Provisions. (a) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
(b) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:
(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department, agency, or the head thereof; or
(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
BARACK OBAMA
THE WHITE HOUSE,
April 13, 2012.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/04/13/executive-order-supporting-safe-and-responsible-development-unconvention |
| LeeE |
Posted - 04/13/2012 : 11:01:29
Agreed.
quote:
Originally posted by Rob Tucker
"I am against geothermal energy because it is not healthy to breathe. "
I disagree. I think it is unhealthy to not breathe.
Lee Eisenstein
http://members.cruzio.com/~lionel/event
"Be kinder than necessary, as everyone you meet is engaged in some kind of strudel."
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| opihikao |
Posted - 04/13/2012 : 10:45:31
FYI: Special Council Meeting regarding geothermal on April 24, 2012. Being held at Pahoa High School Cafeteria beginning at 6:00pm. Two presentations are scheduled, the first for health concerns and the second for cultural issues.
Please attend, and provide testimony, either written or spoken (3 minutes allowed per subject). Somehow our community needs to be heard, both for and against geothermal, and all cultural aspects need to be addressed (there are varied beliefs, no one Hawaiian can speak for others; there are 400,000 of us nationwide).
The Puna community (I believe, and am happy to be corrected) population is 45,000 approximately, and to allow a few to speak for our entire community is not productive, nor an accurate portrayal of our Puna.
Very pleased the County Council finally realizes Puna needs to be heard on this subject, as the future of geothermal includes a big portion of our island (HELCO's RFP at the PUC right now is for 50MG at Hualalai).
Hopefully,everyone will feel this is important enough to attend or provide written testimony to the Council. Mahalo. |
| grumpyscosmos |
Posted - 04/05/2012 : 11:59:18
quote:
Originally posted by Kapohocat
I am of two minds on geothermal - yes useful in uninhabited areas. maybe not so much in Puna with houses close by...
Okay that said, I talked with a guy at Airgensis.com and their technology could blow away (pun intended) the old school wind generation systems.
It was just patented and utility companies in China are talking to these guys. This is low velocity wind generation. Doesn't have to be a So Point or Waikoblowa/Kohala. Could even be located on the PGV site.
Why are we still thinking just in the little box?
Agree.. Its always been the Sun and Wind, again we are falling behind in the advancing technology's in these two clean and constant sources of continual energy.. Nuclear is NOT a solution, its a time bomb and so is Oil. But the Corporations put their money in fracking and deep water drilling.. Insanity seems to be the only thing that is sustainable in the energy Business...
“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” " Krishnamurti " |
| Kapohocat |
Posted - 03/29/2012 : 17:08:24
I am of two minds on geothermal - yes useful in uninhabited areas. maybe not so much in Puna with houses close by...
Okay that said, I talked with a guy at Airgensis.com and their technology could blow away (pun intended) the old school wind generation systems.
It was just patented and utility companies in China are talking to these guys. This is low velocity wind generation. Doesn't have to be a So Point or Waikoblowa/Kohala. Could even be located on the PGV site.
Why are we still thinking just in the little box?
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| tada |
Posted - 03/21/2012 : 12:55:40
Armchair critics like me questioning HE pitching unproven tech like biofuels, windmills, underwater transmission lines, otec??
We point to models like Iceland- it's 100% AE but most of it is hydro power not geothermal.
Also the proven technology in geothermal is the Ormat/ Puna Geothermal but their seems to be other competing bids from born again geothermal entrepreneurs like Christine Kubat jumping on the AE bandwagon-
http://www.disappearednews.com/2011/02/hawaii-geothermal-critic-embraces-small.html |
| robguz |
Posted - 03/20/2012 : 14:25:03
Personally I'd like to see geothermal expanded here and on Maui. Easily enough to power the entire state and stop import of fuel for power plants. By far the least environmentally taxing, inexpensive, realistic option. I'm disappointed this hasn't gotten more of a push from the governor. |
| PaulW |
Posted - 03/18/2012 : 21:40:45
Good point Seeb! |
| Seeb |
Posted - 03/18/2012 : 20:01:01
IKE - this is space monkey with their tin foil hat stuff..
Normally there are no emissions from geothermal. Pele gives off thousands of TONS of sulfur dioxide and other gases a DAY. when there was an accident at the plant the measured level at the fence were below dangerous levels
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| PaulW |
Posted - 03/18/2012 : 18:45:08
"take energy away without Pele's permission"
How do you get Pele's permission? |
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