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afwjam
Kamaaina

798 Posts

Posted - 03/13/2012 :  11:40:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Put an end to the corruption, lying, stealing and divisive group politics in Washington by voting for Ron Paul tonight. Anyone can vote who is a Hawaii resident, bring your friends and family. Its time to end the wars, the drug war and get our financial house in order so that social security lasts into the future. Put an end to the unconstitutional spying of the Patriot act, NDAA indefinite detainment and the all around disrespect of the US Constitution. Stop the bailouts of big banks and corporations who are cheating with tax payer money. You can find your voting locations here:
http://i.imgur.com/EPuj9.png

“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul

Edited by - afwjam on 03/13/2012 11:42:13

PaulW
Punatic

2625 Posts

Posted - 03/13/2012 :  16:40:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You haven't heard? Ron Paul thinks Social Security is "unconstitutional". Probably because he doesn't need it.

"order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks."
-Ron Paul
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afwjam
Kamaaina

798 Posts

Posted - 03/13/2012 :  23:26:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What a sad troll you are.
Aloha.

“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul
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PaulW
Punatic

2625 Posts

Posted - 03/14/2012 :  00:27:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sure, call someone names if you can't refute what they say.

Election is over. Another humiliating defeat for Ron Paul. How many votes did he get on the Big Island? 150?

“Threats or no threats, I’ve laid bare the coming race war in our big cities. The federal-homosexual cover-up on AIDS (my training as a physician helps me see through this one.)”
- Ron Paul
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afwjam
Kamaaina

798 Posts

Posted - 03/14/2012 :  08:41:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There were that many votes for Ron Paul in Puna Makai alone. Ron Paul won the Big Island.
Dr. Paul has made it clear that we need to cut spending overseas in order to save the money to honor our entitlement obligations. He does believe that social security is unconstitutional, however he believes those that have paid in, should get there money back and no one has a plan to get those people their money besides Dr. Paul. He does want to allow those under 25 to opt out of social security and let them manage there own retirement. Its not fair to put the massive load of social security onto the future generations because the politicians spent all the current generations money elsewhere. As for your choice mis-attributed quote, Dr. Paul is the most anti-racist candidate because he does not believe in groups, only individuals. On a personal level he was one of few doctors in his area that would work with the african american community and frequently did it for free if they could not pay.

I have read your posts before, you ARE a very sad troll.

“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul
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Kapohocat
Punatic

USA
4948 Posts

Posted - 03/14/2012 :  09:35:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
afw, Thanks for your volunteer work at the caucus in Pahoa.

PaulW - not only did Paul take the Big Island but he was 30% to Romney's 31% on Maui (9 votes apart). I guess Oahu & Kauai prefer voting via their religious affiliations rather than for constitutionalists. Honolulu definitely has a much higher proportion of Mormons than the Big Island.

So far, all I have heard is why Dr. Paul is not good. Why are any of the others advantageous?

If anyone is under any illusions that the other candidates (or their supporters) are not racist, this is what I heard from a white older woman, who is a Romney supporter, when I was in line in Pahoa and told her I was a 1st time republican voter:

She said "...you need your ID. In some states, you dont need an ID. I think those poor people, THOSE Mexicans, they should have ID's". I said ..... remaining calm only because I was speechless....."I am Mexican and I have an ID".... I thought she was going to melt or something because she was standing next to a MEXICAN. I wonder what would have happened if I said I was raised as a Catholic???? LOL

That said, the other thing I observed was a lack of color, not in ethnicity, but in clothing. I gotta say the Puna hippies are much more colorful than the Puna Republicans in their greys and browns.

Edited by - Kapohocat on 03/14/2012 09:39:56
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afwjam
Kamaaina

798 Posts

Posted - 03/14/2012 :  09:48:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ALL the other candidates, including Obama pander to divisive group politics. Sad really, its destroying our country.

“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul
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PaulW
Punatic

2625 Posts

Posted - 03/14/2012 :  12:23:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Seems you don't know the difference between a troll and someone who
disagrees with you but then you don't seem to know the difference
between their and there either.

There is a definite purpose to my posts, and that is to balance the
fawning reports about Ron Paul with some reality.

The man is a racist and a homophobe and a conspiracy nut.
I'm not interested in saying anything bad about the other candidates
because 'anyone but Ron Paul' is my choice.

As for the newsletters, disavowing them now is like someone claiming they
didn't really write those emails that they sent. Pathetic.

Of course, I should've known that a conspiracy nut would carry the
Big Island! Luckily it doesn't make much difference.
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afwjam
Kamaaina

798 Posts

Posted - 03/14/2012 :  19:46:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well I assume you must be well informed and did the research yourself including looking at the newsletters right? Newsletters that were written when Dr. Paul abandoned politics to go back to his medical practice, including continuing to treat people of all races for free. The newsletter that you love to quote actually does have an author that is not Ron Paul, the byline is James B. Powell. Convenient that every news story leaves that out... Something about racist smears being the lowest form of political discourse. Dr. Paul is sorry for the mismanagement of his newsletter while he was working as a doctor, but unfortunately he will not throw Powell under the bus. You already know that Dr. Paul is a bigot though, must be very difficult for his gay campaign manager and african american press secretary. Just like it was hard for this man to deal with Dr. Paul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rv0Z5SNrF4
You can see the hate seething through him here: http://www.dynw.com/ronpaulisracist/pic4.jpg oh and here to: http://www.dynw.com/ronpaulisracist/pic1.jpg
Amazing that in the hundreds of hours of Ron Paul speaking that I have watched, or in the 15 minute conversation I had with him when I met him, that none of that bigotry came across. He is just so good at hiding it you know. Especially when he talks about pardoning non-violent drug offenders and points out that african americans are 5 times as likely to end up in jail proportionally to there drug use. As for conspiracy theories, you must be talking about the time he predicted the nasdaq bubble, or 9/11, or maybe the time he was yelling at everybody about a housing bubble in 2007. He is especially crazy about warning us that we should be careful about going to war with Iran and all the foremost intelligence and military experts in the US and Israel saying that Iran does not and will not have a nuclear weapon. I mean he was wrong about Iraq back when he was warning against that...

“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul
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liskir
Da Kine

412 Posts

Posted - 03/14/2012 :  19:46:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
afwjam,
You guys rock! Thanks so much for all the work you continue to do to spread the word of Peace and Liberty. Your mom is proud and you've made a great impact on her as well as all of us. Dr. Ron Paul 2012! Ignore the troll. Not worth the effort. Concentrate your energy on the good. :) Great job!!!
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PaulW
Punatic

2625 Posts

Posted - 03/14/2012 :  22:48:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you want to keep supporting a racist, go for it. The primaries are over, he's of no relevance to Hawaii anymore. Good riddance. -out-
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afwjam
Kamaaina

798 Posts

Posted - 03/14/2012 :  23:15:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Again, racist smears are the lowest form of political discourse and typical of a person who cannot argue real issues and instead wishes to distract from them. Your right that the caucus is over, Puna and the rest of the Big Island overwhelmingly voted for Ron Paul. I am proud of everyone who showed up, we had three times the expected turn out at the Pahoa Caucus, 50% of the vote went to Dr. Paul. I am very proud to live on an island full of "conspiracy nuts" that voted for Dr. Paul. A lot of people obviously realize that our Liberties are disappearing and that we are in serious danger of losing the Republic.

Aloha.

“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul
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PaulW
Punatic

2625 Posts

Posted - 03/14/2012 :  23:34:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ron Paul is fortunate to have such supporters. They don't even know what "racist smears" are (hint: it's not calling someone a racist, especially if they authorized racist newsletters for years) and they also don't know the difference between "your" and "you're". Stay in school.

Some of his best friends are black, oh yeah, heard that one before. The State of Hawaii has given the racist the bum's rush.

From Wikipedia:
The newsletters included statements such as:
"... I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in [Washington, DC] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."[167]
"Boy, it sure burns me to have a national holiday for that pro-communist philanderer, Martin Luther King. I voted against this outrage time and time again as a Congressmen. What an infamy that Ronald Reagan approved it! We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day!"[164][173]
"An ex-cop I know advises that if you have to use a gun on a youth [to defend yourself against armed robbery], you should leave the scene immediately, disposing of the wiped off gun as soon as possible.... I frankly don't know what to make of such advice, but even in my little town of Lake Jackson, Texas, I've urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense. For the animals are coming."[164][174]
“I miss the closet. Homosexuals, not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities. They could also not be as promiscuous. Is it any coincidence that the AIDS epidemic developed after they came 'out of the closet,' and started hyper-promiscuous sodomy? I don't believe so, medically or morally.”[175][176]
“[Magic] Johnson may be a sports star, but he is dying [of AIDS] because he violated moral laws.”[165][177]
“[T]he criminal ‘Justice’ Department wants to force dentists to treat these Darth Vader types [people with AIDS] under the vicious Americans With Disabilities Act;" and “[W]e all have the right to discriminate, which is what freedom of association is all about, especially against killers [AIDS patients].”[165][178]
Other passages referred to former Secretary of Health & Human Services Donna Shalala as a “short lesbian” and Martin Luther King, Jr. as a pedophile and “lying socialist satyr" – while offering praise for former Ku Klux Klan Imperial Wizard David Duke and other controversial figures.[164][165][175]

When criticism of the newsletters was leveled against Paul during his 1996 congressional election, he did not deny writing the newsletters, but instead defended them and said that the material had been “taken out of context"

Edited by - PaulW on 03/14/2012 23:43:02
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afwjam
Kamaaina

798 Posts

Posted - 03/15/2012 :  00:03:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I honestly feel sorry for you.
Good night.

“Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms.”
-Ron Paul
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Kapohocat
Punatic

USA
4948 Posts

Posted - 03/15/2012 :  08:21:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So still yet have not heard why any of the others would be better?

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PaulW
Punatic

2625 Posts

Posted - 03/15/2012 :  14:08:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Cat, I'm sure you can tell the difference between:

1. A candidate who has some ignorant racist supporters

versus

2. A candidate who publishes and makes money off ignorant racist
newsletters for years and then claims, when it's convenient,
that he didn't know what was being published and sold under his name.
This makes him a racist or fraud and most likely both.

What is good about the other candidates, besides not being loud
and proud racists? Many things, but it depends on your own views
on various issues. My point of view is simply: anyone but Racist Ron.

Okay, that's really it for me. This is no longer relevant to Hawaii,
until Ron Paul goes Independent.
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