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HereOnThePrimalEdge
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South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 01/19/2018 :  16:16:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I received Eileen O'Hara's newsletter today.
One of the items on the county council agenda is amending the Ag zoning code to require anyone with more than 4 roosters to house birds a minimum of 75 feet from all property boundaries.

The effect of the change would mean that in HPP for instance, with lots roughly 135 feet wide, the greatest distance to a property line would be 67 feet.

If it passes, bye bye rooster "farms." Hopefully opponents are bad at math.

"This is an island surrounded by water, big water, ocean water. - President Donald J. Trump

Chunkster
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Posted - 01/19/2018 :  16:43:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This will be viewed by many (not me) as an assault on a "cultural tradition." If it somehow passes, don't expect enforcement to amount to anything, even on the usual report driven basis. It's already against the law to fight roosters, and we all know how successful that has been in suppressing the practice.
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ericlp
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China
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Posted - 01/19/2018 :  16:47:43  Show Profile  Visit ericlp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Who will enforce the law?

Lots of laws on the books that are not being enforced.

Don't get me wrong........ I hate A-hole neighbors that want to plant 500 roosters on a small 1 acre lot in a housing development making it miserable for anyone within 5000 feet.

What if they buy 2 or 3 lots? Most Spaghetti lots are around 125-150' wide, I think Hawaiian Acres has the widest ones, with exception to the square lots. With all the blue tarps, sheds and shacks, unpermitted cesspools, Barking dogs, etc...etc....etc... Just add one more rule to the "unenforceable" BS that happens here on this island.

The only hope is to buy a nice lot, with well established neighbors that think alike, and if anyone thinking of buying the vacant lot, wanting to throw up a rooster, dog breeding, goat herding, etc...etc.. will instantly feel the vibes of the entire hood coming out with pitch forks and lighting up the torches.

But......Good Luck!
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
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South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 01/19/2018 :  17:00:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Maybe I am missing something, but I just don't understand. Perhaps someone can enlighten me?

People who raise chickens for eggs generally keep hens, which is a legitimate agricultural use of their property and it remains unrestricted. If they want fertilized eggs, they can still have up to four roosters, and they'll be unaffected by the potential change.

If however, people want to pretend raising 100 roosters is a type of farming, they may need to find a 5+ acre property Hoss, their own little Ponderosa, ridin' the range, roundin' up and herdin' the little doggies. My solution? GMO roosters, genetically modified so they're unable to crow, squawk, or even buck, buck, bwack.

"This is an island surrounded by water, big water, ocean water. - President Donald J. Trump
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ericlp
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China
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Posted - 01/19/2018 :  17:02:07  Show Profile  Visit ericlp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JustinK




Maybe I am missing something, but I just don't understand. Perhaps someone can enlighten me?





Yeah, you are missing, not living next to a fricken rooster farm!

You are also missing that, Hawaiian Beaches, Parks subdivisions are all zoned residential, yet plenty rooster farms there.

:) And yes, that sh!t happens on Oahu too, welcome to Hawaii!

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mermaid53
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USA
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Posted - 01/19/2018 :  17:12:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't understand why half acre lots can be zoned AG which allows lot owners to have multiple roosters. Kaloli Pt has roosters running amuck bc of an irresponsible lot owner/former HPP board rep that abandoned them when she moved away. She had several roosters at any given time.

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Rob Tucker
Kama'aina

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Posted - 01/19/2018 :  17:19:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Rooster farms do not produce "agricultural" noise. They are gambling operations.
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ericlp
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China
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Posted - 01/19/2018 :  17:21:15  Show Profile  Visit ericlp's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JustinK

Thanks ericlp :) I live detached from the sub-divisions, but I am close to Nanawle so I can see the concern of residential yet living in the wild west. I love Hawaii (island), coming was a conscious choice. I will admit I have a lot to learn about my area and the ideology and mindset, but I am learning and loving :)



Plenty to learn and love here. But, just because you bought a tiny .3 acre lot with CCR's, and Zoning and all the other rules and regulations, doesn't mean crap here. People just do what they "think" is right for them. Like I said, before buying a lot, you gotta go scope out the hood and talk story with the neighbors and get a feel from them if they will back you in case someone wants to move in with "other" ideas, for noise and air quality.
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
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South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 01/19/2018 :  17:25:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
my ability to provide ethical food, in a Ag area

Male chickens raised for meat are called capons, and they're castrated at about 2-3 months of age, well before an uncastrated rooster would start crowing at 5 months old. This keeps most of the capons from crowing, and the ones that do you can eat first.

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terracore
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Posted - 01/19/2018 :  17:30:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Unfortunately, a rooster farm at 250 feet isn't any quieter than at 75 feet.

The USPS is the only transportation option available to get these 'show birds' to market. Good luck getting them to change.
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
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South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 01/19/2018 :  17:35:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So I must conform to that

Capons are usually slaughtered at 10 months of age, almost all of them will reach that age without crowing.
Eating the few that start to crow between 5 & 10 months is hardly a restriction on your rights. Consider it an appetizer. As well as being a good neighbor.

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terracore
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Posted - 01/19/2018 :  17:35:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Male chickens raised for meat are called capons, and they're castrated at about 2-3 months of age, well before an uncastrated rooster would start crowing at 5 months old. This keeps most of the capons from crowing, and the ones that do you can eat first."

I think you'd have to go to France to find any meat like that. The meat chickens Americans are accustomed to are an equal mix of hens and cocks, usually slaughtered at 7 weeks.
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
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South Sandwich Islands
6744 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2018 :  17:40:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You'd have to go to France

Or Safeway:
https://www.instacart.com/safeway/products/18141325-7-10-frozen-capon-per-lb

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Kapoho Joe
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USA
1934 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2018 :  18:27:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JustinK

quote:
Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
Male chickens raised for meat are called capons, and they're castrated at about 2-3 months of age, well before an uncastrated rooster would start crowing at 5 months old.



So I must conform to that in order to raise animals on my agriculture land?



You sound like you bought one or two acres and want to live like you bought 20 or 30. You do need to consider your neighbors regardless of your land being zoned AG.
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
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South Sandwich Islands
6744 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2018 :  20:18:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Am I missing something?

If you want to raise chickens for eggs, you can do that.
If you want to raise roosters & chickens for meat, you can do that.

The new regulations would only prevent you from harboring cock fighting roosters which have a single purpose, to have razors strapped to their legs so they fight other birds in gambling rings.
Is that the type of "farming" you're arguing needs protection and preservation? Do you want to raise eggs, meat, ot cockfighting birds?

"This is an island surrounded by water, big water, ocean water. - President Donald J. Trump
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Rob Tucker
Kama'aina

9456 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2018 :  20:18:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We are not talking about food producers here, we are talking about blood sport gamblers operating under the guise of agriculture.
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