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ElysianWort
Kamaaina

USA
691 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2018 :  06:05:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Many of us do NOT support the use of pesticides on/in our beloved Aina.
A bunch of residents in Maui and Kauai are trying to help all of us out by testifying in support of a pesticide regulation ban that would force users who spray the noxious chemicals, to make an announcement to the public before doing so.
I hope this spreads to regulating herbicides too.
Opponents say that E.P.A. has fully tested and vetted these chemicals and they are deemed as "safe". I say HOGWASH!
Anyone with a brain larger than a walnut can realize the dangers of spraying this stuff. The E.P.A. cannot be corrupt and influenced by the big chemical companies right? LOL!!
So what, the keiki at schools who got sick after smelling the chemicals sprayed at nearby farms, what they are all lying to get out of school?
The reality is none of them are safe, especially the pesticides but I say herbicides too including Roundup.

http://www.kitv.com/story/37488487/maui-and-kauai-residents-speak-out-about-pesticides

PaulW
Punatic

4693 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2018 :  06:36:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You can have your own opinion but not your own facts.
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Andy
Da Kine

USA
135 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2018 :  08:39:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey Elysian....how about a peer reviewed scientific article to prove your point? Links please
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geochem
Kamaaina

USA
525 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2018 :  08:58:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Paranoia is not a good regulatory framework....

"We consume more carcinogens in one cup of coffee than we get from the pesticide residues on all the fruits and vegetables we eat in a year" Bruce Ames, one of the most cited scientists in world for his work on chemical toxicity. (https://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/97legacy/11_01_97a.html)

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kalakoa
Motormouth

10273 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2018 :  09:09:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Smells bad" = subjective interpretation.

"Children sick, sent to hospital" = exaggerated coincidence.

Marijuana dispensaries not allowed near schools because "think of the children", but spraying chemicals is acceptable "because a Federal agency says they are safe".

Isn't government amazing? They've figured out how to use your own money against you, regardless of the issues or your personal stance thereon.

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My 2 cents
Da Kine

430 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2018 :  09:17:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In all fairness, this isn't about proving points about pesticide safety. It's more about respect. Whether pesticides are safe or not comes down to which study you want to believe in, therefore it's all just opinion. If my opinion is that I don't want my child breathing these chemicals, then that opinion should be respected. It should not be up to the farmer next door to decide what my child breathes.
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kalakoa
Motormouth

10273 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2018 :  09:27:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It should not be up to the farmer next door to decide what my child breathes.

No different than the "rooster farming" issue: the land is zoned for agriculture, schools should obviously be "in town" where zoning precludes large-scale pesticide use.

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HereOnThePrimalEdge
Punatic

South Sandwich Islands
5924 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2018 :  09:30:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's more about respect.

I see the chance of a pesticide regulation ban passing, or if one is passed, functioning as effectively as existing laws and proposals that we have concerning... roosters. Roosters are also about respect for neighbors, and look where that gets us.

Questions that will come up over a pesticide ban:
Are the applications made in an area zoned ag?
By the time police show up can it be proved what was sprayed, and even if anything was sprayed?

Portion of Hawaii’s drinking water that comes from underground wells : 9/10
Gallons of raw sewage that leak into the ground from Hawaii cesspools each day : 53,000,000 - Harper's Index
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PaulW
Punatic

4693 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2018 :  09:42:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Whether pesticides are safe or not comes down to which study you want to believe in, therefore it's all just opinion"
There are facts, and there are opinions. They are very different. Policies should be based on facts, not irrational fears based on nothing.
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kalakoa
Motormouth

10273 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2018 :  09:50:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Policies should be based on facts

Fact: some pesticides are "restricted use" and require protective gear.

I grant that I do not know which pesticides are at issue in this case, but it's a fairly simple exercise to discover which ones were used, and when, and how applied.

http://hdoa.hawaii.gov/pi/ruplist/

Big Island accounts for 20% of all restricted use pesticides in the State.

http://hdoa.hawaii.gov/pi/pest/faq-for-pesticides/

WHAT DO I DO IF I SMELL A STRONG PESTICIDE ODOR?

In urgent situations involving ill-effects and/or evacuation from the area, call 911 immediately and report incident to the Fire and Police Departments. Then contact the Pesticide Branch office in your district to file a complaint.


I'm sure the above policy is merely an "opinion" based on "irrational fears".
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
Punatic

South Sandwich Islands
5924 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2018 :  10:09:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
it's a fairly simple exercise to discover which ones were used, and when, and how applied.

It should be. As you say, many are regulated and require training by the applicators, as well as a detailed accounting of purchases, dates and areas sprayed, etc.

Unfortunately as one of the documentaries I posted awhile back showed, it's not always easy to get that info from the farms when they're asked for it.

Portion of Hawaii’s drinking water that comes from underground wells : 9/10
Gallons of raw sewage that leak into the ground from Hawaii cesspools each day : 53,000,000 - Harper's Index
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Kapoho Joe
Punatic

USA
1899 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2018 :  10:32:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by My 2 cents

It should not be up to the farmer next door to decide what my child breathes.



It's not - all that is regulated by the gubmint. Besides, did the farm just pop up or was it there when you moved in?
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kalakoa
Motormouth

10273 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2018 :  10:32:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
it's not always easy to get that info from the farms

Use "Federal pre-emption" to leverage EPA against the State.

Well, maybe before Pruitt.
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leilanidude
Punatic

USA
2978 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2018 :  10:37:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
he reality is none of them are safe, especially the pesticides but I say herbicides too including Roundup.
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So I cannot get rid of those pesky LFA's without telling my neighbors?
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rainyjim
Punatic

1948 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2018 :  10:55:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Herbicides are pesticides.
Pesticides are not necessarily herbicides.

All pesticides are toxic. That’s the point. They are poison - to kill unwanted pests.

Does this mean it affects you or your children? Probably not. Especially not if the pesticides are used in the manner they are meant to be i.e. if the instructions on the label are followed.

Most misuse comes from homeowners not farmers.

The point of this legislation is to provide another route of attack against GMOs. Because ideological crusaders failed at banning GMOs in Hawaii they have now introduced new legislation that includes giving the ability for anyone to sue any farmer at any time if the complainant contends the farm is using pesticides inappropriately or growing GMO crops. It would create a nightmare for all farmers, who would have to prepare to defend themselves against an infinite number of frivolous court actions. Legal fees, alone, could bankrupt many. In this way the ideological crusaders believe they can attack the seed industry that grows some GMO crops without passing legislation directly related to GMOs.
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kalakoa
Motormouth

10273 Posts

Posted - 04/26/2018 :  11:16:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
the ability for anyone to sue any farmer at any time

Selectively. Farmland on Oahu is clearly best used for "transit-oriented development", while farmland on the Big Island is the mission-critical "breadbasket of the state".
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