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EightFingers
Punatic

USA
2619 Posts

Posted - 09/23/2018 :  15:05:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just so we donít have go through 69 pages on the previous HPP biz thread.

dan d
Punatic

USA
1059 Posts

Posted - 09/24/2018 :  07:23:59  Show Profile  Visit dan d's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks eight

Dan D
HPP
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Katarina
Da Kine

172 Posts

Posted - 10/08/2018 :  08:05:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Say it isn't so........So I hear that there is going to be a meeting this Friday somewhere with the purpose of unseating our president. I can't find it posted. Is there not suppose to be a 7 day notice posted for this? Well, it doesn't take even a slugs brain to figure out what those evil power crazed nuts are up to. Here we go again. Nothing changes. The few nasty ones rule while the apathetic just keep paying for it and trust me we will keep paying. Our main roads are crumbling. That is millions of dollars to fix. Where are they going to get it? Our gravel roads are despicable but the GM is spending(yes.He can spend without any oversite)on hid pet chipseal then agribind. Both miserable total wastes of time. If he and a few had not gotten us in trouble with the state we could all have nicely maintained gravel roads. But no, money is being thrown in many directions and we have absolutely no clue to where. I am gone again but wanted to pass this along. I hope enough HPP residents care about their constantly and never ending road fees going up and the crap the majority board is up to and find out when this mystery meeting is exactly and shut it down if it is yet another illegal one.
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kalakoa
Motormouth

12429 Posts

Posted - 10/08/2018 :  09:54:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
the GM is spending(yes.He can spend without any oversite)on hid pet chipseal

First post in the "classic" thread topic, from 06/20/2015:

Pursuing chip seal in HPP should be a membership decision by vote, not by board vote.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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YurtGirl
Kamaaina

739 Posts

Posted - 10/08/2018 :  10:40:42  Show Profile  Visit YurtGirl's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Wow, so this is a widespread, typical operating procedure on all boards here then... It seems the same across the board and there is no enforcement by government so corrupt community boards are as free and clear as any of the other thieves. Huh. Are there any 'well functioning' boards on island that a community might look toward to figure out how to emulate that group?

Melissa Fletcher
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"Make yurts, not war" Bill Coperthwaite, 1973
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Chunkster
Punatic

2085 Posts

Posted - 10/08/2018 :  11:33:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
All irregularities should be documented and recorded with independent witnesses. The IRS statutes regarding non-profits have some important regulations regarding transparency, particularly in relation to finances, conflicts of interest, and policy/procedure practices. Reporting violations can result in serious investigation.
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YurtGirl
Kamaaina

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Posted - 10/08/2018 :  11:59:57  Show Profile  Visit YurtGirl's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Reporting to WHO? There are laws in place but as far as I have found so far there is very little enforcement and zero oversight of those laws. It is on concerned members to document discrepancies and oversee that important things like transparency are, in fact, occurring. And if they document and prove discrepancies and/or lack of transparency, who do they take this info to? And if that goes no where? Who is the next in the chain of command?

Melissa Fletcher
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"Make yurts, not war" Bill Coperthwaite, 1973

Edited by - YurtGirl on 10/08/2018 12:00:51
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Chunkster
Punatic

2085 Posts

Posted - 10/08/2018 :  13:12:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Well, obviously one reports to the IRS. There is even a handy form which lists the most common violations, but also has a convenient "other" category:

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f13909.pdf

A more complete list of the compliance requirements for non-profits can be found here:

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p4221pc.pdf

A quick glance at that longer list showed two items that the HPPOA has been accused of here on Punaweb in the not so distant past. A Form 990 is required to be truthfully filed annually, and that could get interesting for them, too, but I'm tired of posting links. Look it up.

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Katarina
Da Kine

172 Posts

Posted - 10/08/2018 :  14:30:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Exactly YurtGirl. Attorneys,and any governmental agency wants nothing to do with all these associations. It is a "shove it under the rug and it will go away" attitude. Ignorance is bliss for them and the apathetic members until they get their ever rising road bill or their road is almost impassible. Then of course it is of the utmost importance until they get frustrated and disappear. And so it goes on and on and on. I hope enough members get off their you know whats and show up at this illegal meeting. Stop those despicable board members. Shout right over them until they call the meeting off. It will be illegal any way.
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kalakoa
Motormouth

12429 Posts

Posted - 10/08/2018 :  14:41:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"shove it under the rug and it will go away"

I assume you mean "shove it under the burnt-out abandoned vehicle"...
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Chunkster
Punatic

2085 Posts

Posted - 10/08/2018 :  15:34:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
OK, I'm going to try and help YurtGirl and Katarina one last time. Read the IRS regulations, and file complaints. If the complaints even appear to meet the criteria for violation, they have to investigate. Make sure violations are recorded and witnessed.

Do you really think the current incarnation of the renegade board is going to be the least bit concerned about a few more angry people showing up at yet another "illegal meeting?" Surely you know by now that they just don't care and will ignore you. If they lose their tax exempt status through an IRS process, they can be taxed into bankruptcy or shut down outright. If it's so important, take the time to learn how to effectively fight back. Posting your outrage on Punaweb is useless otherwise.
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Old Croc
Da Kine

201 Posts

Posted - 10/08/2018 :  16:21:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I heard a rumor that at the September board meeting the Forensic Analysis was approved and will start real soon. I also heard that the bylaws ballots were reviewed by an attorney to see if the bylaws proposals were compliant with 414D and they are; therefore, members will be seeing the ballots in their mailbox very soon.

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dan d
Punatic

USA
1059 Posts

Posted - 10/08/2018 :  16:40:52  Show Profile  Visit dan d's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Thanks OC. To bad mermaid cant give us the inside scoop any more. I wish her the best
Aloha

Dan D
HPP
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Lolo
Da Kine

114 Posts

Posted - 10/08/2018 :  16:44:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Chunkster
As some can attest, the board has no problem using association funds to sue anyone that complains. Be careful. Wonder if IRS takes anonymous complaints.
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Chas
Kamaaina

578 Posts

Posted - 10/08/2018 :  16:49:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think itís a great idea. The IRS took down Al Capone!
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leo
Da Kine

USA
302 Posts

Posted - 10/08/2018 :  17:13:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So I hear that there is going to be a meeting this Friday somewhere with the purpose of unseating our president

Word is they plan to take mermaid out of the VP seat. That's what happens to officers of the board who stand up for the members and do things according to law. The ones that don't get rid of the ones that do. Can we stop it? This is really bad news for HPP. So who's going to be president? Creelly district SIX again? Why does this guy keep coming back and getting on the board as president? He's really bad for HPP. The guy that says that the members don't matter the board will do whatever it wants. Or Kathy Shaw district THREE? Very very bad news with that one too.

Yeah Old Croc...I heard the same....the forensic analysis is going to happen soon and the bylaw ballots still have to get printed and then mailed. It's about time!!!
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