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Old Croc
Da Kine

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Posted - 01/12/2019 :  14:51:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Columnist Todd Starnes has criticized Crazy Mazie for religious bigotry.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/todd-starnes-yes-kamala-harris-and-mazie-hirono-are-religious-bigots

ElysianWort
Punatic

USA
1707 Posts

Posted - 01/16/2019 :  16:47:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
right next to OldCrocs thread, "Mazie is a bigot"

Old Croc's thread is "Mazie Called a bigot."
The Fox report says Tulsi "evolved" from her traditional view on marriage. "Evolved" is the new Democrat Get Out of Jail Free card.


You deserve an apology and I'm sorry Old Croc.

In reading what I posted above, and your response to it in another thread (Tulsi for President) I did not mean to imply that you were calling her a bigot.

My aim was more towards implication of her probably being a bigot if it's in national news.

At this point I am so repulsed by nearly every politician that I almost seem to have taken the stand of "Guilty until proven innocent" with all of them.

In fact the only politician that I like right now and the only guy that, to me, seems to have run to truly make a positive change for the people of his area and not for personal gain, is Russell Ruderman.

I'm would like to believe that there are lots of others out there that are similar to him but I'm skeptical.
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
Punatic

South Sandwich Islands
8315 Posts

Posted - 01/16/2019 :  21:23:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mazie questioned whether a judicial nominee could be impartial because he is a member of the Knights of Columbus.
Tulsi said “We must call this out for what it is – religious bigotry.” Because her father Mike is a member of... the Knights of Columbus.

The Knights of Columbus is not a religion, it is a lay organization. You cannot carry out religious bigotry against something that is not a religion. The organization in question however, the Knights of Columbus, has tenets which can infringe on the rights of individuals.

Tulsi may have admirably if not accurately defended her father, but Mazie uses her role as Senator from Hawaii in order to protect the rights of individuals here, and insure proper checks and balances are maintained in government at a crucial point in our history. Today she noted:

When you have to ask if the President is a Russian asset you know these are #NotNormalTimes.
Jan. 16, 2019
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Frank
Kamaaina

999 Posts

Posted - 01/17/2019 :  10:04:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
@hopte...Tulsi said “We must call this out for what it is – religious bigotry.” Because her father Mike is a member of... the Knights of Columbus.

I thought it was because the knights were associated with the Catholic religion...am I mistaken?
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
Punatic

South Sandwich Islands
8315 Posts

Posted - 01/17/2019 :  11:12:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I thought it was because the knights were associated with the Catholic religion.

Yes they are, but the Knights are entirely separate from the church. They have generously donated a great amount of money to charities and other causes over the years, but it can come at a cost to those who accept their help. They are powerful and won't hesitate to influence either church or state. This doesn't necessarily disqualify a member of the Knights from an appointment on the federal bench as a judge, but it's not inappropriate for Mazie to question a nominee about their role in the organization and how it might influence their decision making process.

According to the National Catholic Reporter:

For more than a decade and a half, under the leadership of a former political operative, the Knights of Columbus has increasingly used its enormous wealth to influence the direction of the church, underwriting think tanks and news outlets while gaining entrée to some of the highest levels of decision-making in the church. Its capacity for funding has given the Knights of Columbus an inordinately loud voice, potentially drowning out that of others, and no other lay group can match the Knights' ability to leave its mark on the church. Some worry that such influence can actually distort the church's ecclesiology, its structure and its governance...
https://www.ncronline.org/news/accountability/knights-columbus-financial-forms-show-wealth-influence
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Frank
Kamaaina

999 Posts

Posted - 01/17/2019 :  16:54:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
@hopte Yes they are...far enough thanks...Because her father Mike is a member of... the Knights of Columbus. Is this your opinion, or did you read that in media some place?
Thanks

eta in media some place

Edited by - Frank on 01/17/2019 16:57:02
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
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South Sandwich Islands
8315 Posts

Posted - 01/17/2019 :  17:58:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ms. Gabbard’s father, Hawaii state Sen. Mike Gabbard, belongs to the Knights of Columbus, according to Hawaii News Now.

https://www.apnews.com/a38d56ff0e41a10244db6708d51cdf41
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Frank
Kamaaina

999 Posts

Posted - 01/17/2019 :  18:47:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
“We must call this out for what it is – religious bigotry.” Because her father Mike is a member of... the Knights of Columbus.
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Frank
Kamaaina

999 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2019 :  07:55:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mazie is an f'in Bigot hopte...Tulsi did NOT call her on it because her father is a member of the Knights of Columbus...read below please

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/mazie-hirono-doubles-down-calling-religious-protections-the-alt-rights-position/
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
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South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 01/19/2019 :  14:32:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mazie is an f'in Bigot hopte...

Frank,
Here are Mazie's exact comments:

“The Knights of Columbus has taken a number of extreme positions,” Hirono stated in written questions, citing the group’s contributions to California’s Proposition 8 campaign to legally define marriage as between one man and one woman.
“If confirmed, do you intend to end your membership with this group to avoid any appearance of bias?”
“Will you recuse yourself from all cases in which the Knights of Columbus has taken a position?”

The Knights of Columbus have taken positions which are opposed to federal law. Mazie did not denigrate Brian Buescher's religion or his beliefs, she simply asked him whether he would set those beliefs aside when they conflicted with federal law. That's not bigotry, it's properly vetting a candidate for a position on the bench.

What if a Muslim judge in America, a member of Knights of Islam* who had shown support for Sharia law was nominated for the federal bench, and Mazie asked them:
“Will you recuse yourself from all cases in which the Knights of Islam* have taken a position?”

Would Mazie be a bigot, or a senator asking a tough, challenging question which might affect decisions made by that person in the future?

* not as real organization
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glinda
Punatic

USA
1364 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2019 :  14:58:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Frank

Mazie is an f'in Bigot...
I see, you really do mean she is less because she was born outside the USA. The thing is the worlds you use to speak disparagingly of Mazie, kind of, sort of, paint you as a bigot too.

I think the context in which Mazie spoke, as shared by HOTPE, goes a long way towards showing just how skewed, how bias, and lacking in truth, with intent to inflame, is the original national review article posted by Frank. It is sad that so often those on the right feel a need to go out of their way to taint the truth so as to promote their ideology. Like their practice of gerrymandering, they are good at twisting reality to gain where just by the numbers, without all that slight of hand stuff, they are a minority.
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Frank
Kamaaina

999 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2019 :  18:55:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge

Mazie is an f'in Bigot hopte...

Frank,
Here are Mazie's exact comments:

“The Knights of Columbus has taken a number of extreme positions,” Hirono stated in written questions, citing the group’s contributions to California’s Proposition 8 campaign to legally define marriage as between one man and one woman.
“If confirmed, do you intend to end your membership with this group to avoid any appearance of bias?”
“Will you recuse yourself from all cases in which the Knights of Columbus has taken a position?”

The Knights of Columbus have taken positions which are opposed to federal law. Mazie did not denigrate Brian Buescher's religion or his beliefs, she simply asked him whether he would set those beliefs aside when they conflicted with federal law. That's not bigotry, it's properly vetting a candidate for a position on the bench.

What if a Muslim judge in America, a member of Knights of Islam* who had shown support for Sharia law was nominated for the federal bench, and Mazie asked them:
“Will you recuse yourself from all cases in which the Knights of Islam* have taken a position?”

Would Mazie be a bigot, or a senator asking a tough, challenging question which might affect decisions made by that person in the future?

* not as real organization



Here on the primal edge


Comparing Sharia law to the Catholic religion does not deserve an answer.

I ask if your post "Because her father Mike is a member of... the Knights of Columbus" was your opinion or did you get that from a media source. You couched that statement as if it came from Tulsi or was in fact her motivation for calling a bigot a bigot.

Which is it?

A source for your direct quote of hirono's would be appreciated.

quote from the National Review...

Hirono and Harris directly asked Buescher whether his Catholic beliefs would prevent him from faithfully executing his duties as a judge, and Hirono went so far as to demand that he drop his membership in the Knights and recuse himself from any case on which the group has taken a position.

A little different than what you posted

bold by me
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Frank
Kamaaina

999 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2019 :  18:58:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by glinda

quote:
Originally posted by Frank

Mazie is an f'in Bigot...
I see, you really do mean she is less because she was born outside the USA. The thing is the worlds you use to speak disparagingly of Mazie, kind of, sort of, paint you as a bigot too.

I think the context in which Mazie spoke, as shared by HOTPE, goes a long way towards showing just how skewed, how bias, and lacking in truth, with intent to inflame, is the original national review article posted by Frank. It is sad that so often those on the right feel a need to go out of their way to taint the truth so as to promote their ideology. Like their practice of gerrymandering, they are good at twisting reality to gain where just by the numbers, without all that slight of hand stuff, they are a minority.



Its a free country...you can post what ever you like...good luck

eta you

Edited by - Frank on 01/19/2019 19:06:21
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glinda
Punatic

USA
1364 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2019 :  19:20:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Comparing Sharia law to the Catholic religion does not deserve an answer.

Your intolerance is glaring.
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
Punatic

South Sandwich Islands
8315 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2019 :  19:52:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A source for your direct quote of hirono's would be appreciated.
https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-catholic-bigotry-trump-knights-columbus-1270859
The National Review excerpt you posted is not a quote, they reworded the original quote so it would better fit the narrative they wished to convey. For instance, you can’t be bigoted toward the Knights of Columbus since it’s not a religion, but you can be bigoted toward Catholics. So they substituted one for the other.

Comparing Sharia law to the Catholic religion does not deserve an answer.
If you read the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, the founding fathers specifically made a point that every religion had freedom to practice and worship in America. There are no exceptions listed. Muslims have the same rights as Catholics.

Mike is a member of... the Knights of Columbus" was your opinion
Yes, my opinion. Based on Tulsi’s early compliance with her father’s beliefs, and her later support for his political agenda. Her comments about Mazie struck me more like someone who took a personal offense to Hirono’s mention of the Knights, which Tulsi then defended with more zeal than I’d expect if it were simply about a stranger, Brian Buescher, someone she has nothing to do with, since she’s not even voting on his appointment.

Pay attention.
Be astonished.
Tell about it.
—Mary Oliver R.I.P. 1/17/19
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riversnout
Da Kine

214 Posts

Posted - 01/19/2019 :  22:38:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mazie will do or say whatever is against what Trump or the Rs want. Nothing else matters to her. She has painted herself in the corner and intends to stay there. For example, Trump says we're pulling our troops out of Syria. About time! Pull them out today! Who could argue with that? Mazie of course:
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TAPPER: What do you think, should President Trump pull U.S. troops out of Syria?

HIRONO: This is yet another example of the president's incoherence and it's clear that he thrives in chaos. We haven't heard from General Dunford. We haven't heard from General Mattis yet. This is -- this is really on a par with the kind of incoherence that the president exemplifies on a daily basis, and I think in this instance, he's again reacting to what's happening with the Mueller investigation that threatens to close in on him and his associates every day.

TAPPER: Well, what do you think should be done? Should the U.S. pull out of Syria? Or do you think that the U.S. troops need to stay there at least until the Pentagon feels ISIS has been defeated?

HIRONO: I have a lot of questions about Syria in terms of, what does winning against ISIS mean? What are we going to leave Syria to if we exit?
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