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aklb43
Newbie

USA
34 Posts

Posted - 05/13/2019 :  07:13:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm just testing the water to see anyone would be interested in building a few small livable structures and live in one in lieu of rent. Basically, you'd turn the lot into an off-grid living situation. This would require carpentry skills and off-grid living experience. I figured this would be a good opportunity for someone displaced by the lava flow. You have the place to yourself most of the year, as I live in Alaska. Anyway, just thought I'd throw that out there to see if the right person is interested.

aklb43
Newbie

USA
34 Posts

Posted - 05/13/2019 :  15:07:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a page that shows the kind of livable structures I was considering. Eventually, I'd like to turn it into an Air BnB for someone to operate.

https://communitysupportedshelters.org/conestoga-huts

Here is a picture of what the lot currently looks like.

https://screenshot.net/v39mbpd

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Seeb
Punatic

2016 Posts

Posted - 05/13/2019 :  21:45:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The county just pass a law that prohibits short term rentals outside resort zones. And those tent things wouldn’t pass any building code.
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Rob Tucker
Kama'aina

9833 Posts

Posted - 05/14/2019 :  05:40:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Cute little units. I could see how they could be useful and perhaps affordable.
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aklb43
Newbie

USA
34 Posts

Posted - 05/14/2019 :  06:11:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That's not exactly true Seeb. If I remember right, there is a fee for operating a short term rental if you don't live on the property. I would just lease the land to the person living on the lot if they wanted to run one. As for building codes, I doubt they pass any building codes in any of the places that they are being funded and built for the homeless population. Also, its under 600 sqft, which is the max(?) for building outside of codes.
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Rob Tucker
Kama'aina

9833 Posts

Posted - 05/14/2019 :  06:14:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just as a correction... the 600 sf exemption on AG zoned land is for accessory structures. Habitation not allowed.
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randomq
Punatic

USA
1756 Posts

Posted - 05/14/2019 :  07:12:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Interesting design. Looks like two "beams" and a hog panel. Certainly safer than a tent, as it might stop a falling tree limb from crashing through.
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aklb43
Newbie

USA
34 Posts

Posted - 05/14/2019 :  07:24:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the correction rob. It's been awhile since I've reviewed the updated code, but I'm pretty sure there is still allowance for small unpermitted habitable structures. I'll have to go back through and review it again.

Randomq, I think I would modify the existing design to have bit more sqft. utilzing a few more of the overhead beams, but yes, it would be safer I think.
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kalakoa
Motormouth

12425 Posts

Posted - 05/14/2019 :  08:35:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
allowance for small unpermitted habitable structures

All enforcement is "complaint-driven". You're allowed to do anything so long as nobody complains, which becomes less likely as you get further from paved roads and/or deeper into a sparsely-populated "private ag" subdivision.

Eventually the County will "catch" you with aerial photographs, but if the apparent buildings are less valuable than the vacant land, they are unlikely to bother assessing the buildings.

Never forget that enforcement is based on County's interpretation of the rules, not yours.
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aklb43
Newbie

USA
34 Posts

Posted - 05/14/2019 :  10:47:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Kalakoa, thanks for the words of wisdom.
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terracore
Punatic

5839 Posts

Posted - 05/15/2019 :  17:14:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This type of design has been used by homesteaders for a long time for making greenhouses and livestock shelters. They are quick to setup but do require basic safety measures (bending the livestock panels create a perpetually wound "spring"). The other deficiency is that they have little wind resistance without the beams and being correctly anchored. Otherwise they can be blown over similar to a backpacking tent with fiberglass poles. Even correctly anchored etc the steel part can still move or vibrate in the wind which tarps don't like. Some people use foam pipe insulation or even pool noodles on the steel portion rub spots to mitigate this.
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MarkP
Punatic

2278 Posts

Posted - 05/16/2019 :  04:59:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have been a casual observer of the code for many years now and I am certain that the exemptions from code for small buildings specifically prohibit habitation.
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randomq
Punatic

USA
1756 Posts

Posted - 05/16/2019 :  05:51:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It was the founding father's dream for government to tell people how to live on their own property one day... /s

Good luck, and consider how to structure your property ownership to protect yourself in the event you are sued or fined. The risk is probably higher with renters that someone will turn you in.
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aklb43
Newbie

USA
34 Posts

Posted - 05/17/2019 :  06:57:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So, I've stayed at this place in the following link. How is their operation even legal? Yes, its on Maui, but I imagine there would be even stricter laws there.
[link]https://www.campolowalu.com/[link]
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kalakoa
Motormouth

12425 Posts

Posted - 05/17/2019 :  07:22:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How is their operation even legal?

Campground is a permissible use which may include any number of buildings so long as they are not fully enclosed.

Where sufficient economic impcat ("tourism revenue") exists, County governments are often willing to help the operation work towards compliance. Kalani was in exactly this situation until the eruption shut them down.
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terracore
Punatic

5839 Posts

Posted - 05/19/2019 :  10:33:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Only $1500.00/night to rent a tiny A-frame with no kitchen. I see they have a weekly rate, I wonder if their monthly rate is $35,000.00/month? And their 'Tentalows' are comparable to a hotel room rates for small families.
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