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kalakoa
Motormouth

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Posted - 07/10/2019 :  14:53:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
https://www.westhawaiitoday.com/2019/07/10/hawaii-news/tmt-work-to-begin-monday/

"We have followed a 10-year process to get this point, and the day for construction to begin has arrived," Ige said in a statement issued Wednesday.

HereOnThePrimalEdge
Punatic

South Sandwich Islands
8315 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2019 :  15:31:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good morning starshine
The earth says hello
You twinkle above us
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leilanidude
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USA
3645 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2019 :  15:39:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nothing more stupid than announcing it for the protestors.
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Obie
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USA
3723 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2019 :  15:57:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
They are going to close the access road ?
I have my popcorn ready !!
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Chunkster
Punatic

2085 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2019 :  16:08:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Nothing more stupid than announcing it for the protestors."

This is Hawaii, and we're talking about Ige. Is anyone surprised?
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MarkP
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2280 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2019 :  16:48:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Having real protesters really getting arrested might be a good thing. It's not like there is any way that the protesters are going to behave themselves other than when they face rel consequences.
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
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South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 07/10/2019 :  17:16:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Having real protesters really getting arrested

That’s one possible plan. Announce the starting date, let the protestors show up, arrest them (if they break the law)*, lock them up, fine them, and with those consequences many will go home. In the meantime, the roads are cleared and construction equipment can roll.

In the most recent poll from about a year ago, 72% of Native Hawaiians supported the TMT, so we’ll see who shows up for a protest. I’m sure there’s enough for a rally this weekend or early next week.

* edited to add & correct, thank you hilodiver

Edited by - HereOnThePrimalEdge on 07/11/2019 08:44:50
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kalakoa
Motormouth

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Posted - 07/10/2019 :  17:29:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Announce the starting date, let the protestors show up, arrest them

I had the same thought, but then I realized it's still Ige.
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hilodiver
malihini

USA
71 Posts

Posted - 07/10/2019 :  20:17:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Arrest and fine protesters just for showing up? I thought we had freedom of speech in this country? As long as they protest peacefully, safely and don't break any laws.

Aloha!
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
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South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 07/10/2019 :  20:38:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Arrest and fine protesters just for showing up?

Of course not. If protestors park legally, stand on the side of the road, hold signs, they’re entitled to do so. Last time however, they illegally blocked roads, trespassed, polluted the water table, rolled rocks on the road, built unpermitted structures without permission of the landowners... If they engage in any of those actions, then arrest them, yes.
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Seeb
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Posted - 07/10/2019 :  22:14:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Heard something on the news the Ing is going to shut down saddle road!!!! When / How long - that adds like 4 hours to a round trip to Kona
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dan d
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USA
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Posted - 07/11/2019 :  07:36:16  Show Profile  Visit dan d's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I will be there at the bottom of the mk acess rd where they will close it off. With my
"i love tmt, i love stem, i love kids" signs.

As a private citizen and vet


HPP
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Durian Fiend
Kamaaina

USA
527 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2019 :  07:56:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Seeb

Heard something on the news the Ing is going to shut down saddle road!!!! When / How long - that adds like 4 hours to a round trip to Kona




I heard he was planning to close Keahole airport too.
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alaskyn66
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Posted - 07/11/2019 :  09:02:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Ed Sniffen, Deputy Director of Highways for the Hawaii Department of Transportation said that they will close roads to get equipment up the mountain safely and prevent any accidents.

But those road closures also mean limited access to Mauna Kea.

“Right now we’re talking about starting at 7 o’clock on the 15th. That’s going to be 24/7 until we get the equipment up the hill…During the shutdown the road will be shut down for everyone. There will be restricted access on the roadway itself,” Sniffen said.

Motorists are also advised of the potential for intermittent traffic control on the Daniel K. Inouye Highway due to the transport of heavy machinery including bull dozers, rollers, and rock crushers.

Lane shifts may be necessary near the intersection with Mauna Kea Access Road to ensure safety. Travel will be maintained in both directions on the highway.

Hawaii county police, DOCARE, and several other agencies will be deployed to handle security.

“When the road is closed and the closures take place we just are going to ask everyone to follow the rules. It’s important to note that the DHHL property for example is private, that’s not public land,” Clare Connors, Hawaii Attorney General said.

Connors added that they don’t have an area designated for those opposed to TMT to safely protest.

Sonoda-Pale said they plan to continue to protect the Mauna.

“All I know is that the protectors are peaceful and they are going to stay in kapu aloha.”

Connors said they have been coordinating operations between multiple agencies including the prosecutors office on Hawaii island in the event that any arrests are made.

Given the man-power being put in motion for the start of construction, KHON asked how much it the additional security would cost taxpayers.

“We are keeping close track of all the expenses that are related to this project, but in truth the amount of money that gets expended are going to be responsive to the type of activity that occurs on the mountain,” Connors explained.

Questions about the possible use of a long range acoustic device or LRAD recently acquired by DLNR were also addressed. LRAD have been sued for crowd control purposes in other protests across the country.

Ige said there was misinformation about the LRAD. He explained that the version of the device they purchased was specifically to assist with communication in the event of a natural disaster and that it was not a weapon.

“If we have a need to communicate and reach a group of people and we believe that some broadcast device would help us, we plan to use it,” Ige said.

Those opposed to the use of the LRAD have said it can be harmful.

Hawaii National Guard will also be deployed to the Big Island but Ige said they will not be armed.

“We are providing National Guard supports in the activity. They have a very specific support role. They will be providing transportation of personnel and supplies as requested. They also have been asked to support road closures and any other activities that may be necessary,” Ige explained.

Access to specific hunting areas in the Mauna Kea Forest Reserve will also be closed.

“For the safety of the public and all personnel we will be closing hunting in units A, K and G in the Mauna Kea Forest reserve area on a temporary basis beginning July 15. Presence in those units with methods such as fire arms or bows will be prohibited,” Suzanne Case, Board of Land and Natural Resources chair, said.


https://www.khon2.com/news/access-to-mauna-kea-will-be-limited-with-construction-of-the-tmt-set-to-begin-monday/
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glinda
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USA
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Posted - 07/11/2019 :  09:42:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Of course this is all silly make-work for all concerned. A cover to use so as to deploy a beefed up police presence that will ultimately deter anyone from doing more than being relegated to standing on the side of the road at Puu Huluhulu.

Over the years there has been very large objects hauled up to the mountain, and before the highway improvements they did warrant the blocking of the road entirely. But the road is way bigger/wider than in the days when it was barely a one lane automobile accident waiting to happen. But hey, a D-Whatever is big and hauling 'em up to the mountain will be slow and arduous. And, of course, will take precedent over any protest or other use of the highway corridor.

Of course there are work arounds. But it's a big mountain, and approaching the summit access road from other than the Saddle Road is a long and demanding way to get around. Not that it isn't doable, but it sure would cut out all the weekend warriors. All the casual, let's go and protest for a day crowd. Though, if seriously determined, folks can get around all the police show 'n tell.

But, all said, it is obviously a planned tactic in resistance mitigation and should work. After all the state has the upper hand. Hopefully the Hawaiian community won't fall prey to this maneuver and find another way to express themselves. Otherwise, I fear, this entire exercise will ultimately make them look the fool.
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
Punatic

South Sandwich Islands
8315 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2019 :  11:09:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hopefully the Hawaiian community... find another way to express themselves.

I hope so too.
Assign Native Hawaiians homeland properties. Create job prospects in the homelands. Expand educational opportunities. Revamp OHA. Restructure DHHL. There are many ways the Hawaiian people could express themselves which would result in direct, personal benefits.
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