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kalakoa
Motormouth

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Posted - 08/15/2019 :  13:39:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
https://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2019/08/15/video-mauna-kea-management-approves-stargazing-areas/

Stargazing by Permittees on Maunakea (both commercial tours and special requests) is of increasing public interest. In order to ensure that the stargazing which does occur is safe, under the authority of a required permit, and that any potential impacts are appropriately managed and mitigated; explicit designation and demarcation of use areas is needed.

Not that anyone can access these wonderful improvements...

HereOnThePrimalEdge
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South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 08/15/2019 :  13:43:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
NO STARS FOR YOU!
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PaulW
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Posted - 08/15/2019 :  16:32:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh, I thought you mean The Protectors allowed it.
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rainyjim
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Posted - 08/16/2019 :  00:59:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey do any of those protestors have a permit?
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TomK
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USA
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Posted - 08/16/2019 :  01:35:26  Show Profile  Visit TomK's Homepage  Reply with Quote
It's ridiculous that people have designated zones to stargaze. Seriously? What's next, designated whale-watching zones?

OMKM have done a decent job of trying to manage Mauna Kea in recent years, but this is nuts. They are trying to fix something that isn't broken. There are several places on Mauna Kea that people go to stargaze which have not caused any problems to anyone. Why does it now need regulating?
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Jimbo2017
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USA
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Posted - 08/16/2019 :  02:45:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tom - I think they are trying to designate space within their 20 acre parcel for viewing, so they know where NOT to plant their restoration trees, etc. Anyone can view on the DOFAW lands outside of the UH Hale Pohaku parcel (that is what Mr. Klasner said).

Mauka Hilo-side
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dan d
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USA
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Posted - 08/16/2019 :  06:28:53  Show Profile  Visit dan d's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Dem trees aint gonna survive there. It blows, its hot, its freezin. And it hardly eveea rains.
Aloha


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dan d
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USA
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Posted - 08/16/2019 :  07:15:35  Show Profile  Visit dan d's Homepage  Reply with Quote
A private individual can go pretty much anywhere, and stargaze whenever,” Klasner added. “There’s no restriction


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geochem
Kamaaina

USA
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Posted - 08/16/2019 :  08:45:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TomK

It's ridiculous that people have designated zones to stargaze. Seriously? What's next, designated whale-watching zones?

OMKM have done a decent job of trying to manage Mauna Kea in recent years, but this is nuts. They are trying to fix something that isn't broken. There are several places on Mauna Kea that people go to stargaze which have not caused any problems to anyone. Why does it now need regulating?



I don't disagree that it's ridiculous, but having been bashed continuously by the activist faction that they haven't enacted administrative rules, what choice do they have? Our state believes that they have a right to control every move anyone makes on state lands - and that goes doubly for any business that conducts any activity on state lands - so OMKM has no choice but to implement rules for every activity that they allow on lands under their control, and specifically prohibit every activity that they don't allow - except, of course, if it can be claimed to be a (Hawaiian) religious activity... (try erecting a cross in the summit region and see how long that lasts...).

And with a sufficient number of rules, most of which are never even nominally enforced, then everyone, at some point, can be guaranteed to have violated some rule and can, when the State so desires, be found guilty of some infraction... (fans of Solzhenitsyn will recognize this strategy...).
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kalakoa
Motormouth

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Posted - 08/16/2019 :  09:00:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Our state believes that they have a right to control every move anyone makes on state lands

Does this include letting individuals prevent access to State lands?
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Jimbo2017
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USA
44 Posts

Posted - 08/16/2019 :  09:03:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dan d - The plan for Hale Pohaku has a greenhouse to grow the hardy trees that already grow at 9000ft there from seeds locally adapted and collected from the same parcel. We saw them when we did weed pulls last year. Mamane, Aweoweo and bunch of other stuff. These would easily get trampled if the people don't stay in designated areas fro star gazing.

There is a lot know about tree restoration in Hawaii! https://www.fs.fed.us/psw/publications/cordell/psw_2015_cordell002_friday.pdf

Mauka Hilo-side
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dan d
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USA
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Posted - 08/16/2019 :  19:54:01  Show Profile  Visit dan d's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yep i agree jimbo, was kinda jokin. Wonder how the silverswoards are doin 1/2 way up the. Mountain?


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