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MarkP
Punatic

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Posted - 12/27/2008 :  19:19:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
First paragraph, 7th sentence.
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AlohaSteven
Kamaaina

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Posted - 12/27/2008 :  23:52:11  Show Profile  Visit AlohaSteven's Homepage  Reply with Quote

As LeeE observed-

Rattlesnake's pretty darned tasty. Not sure about brown tree snakes.

Yep, I have eaten rattlesnake many times (grew up around them) and they are actually quite good; from the look of the brown tree snake, though, I wonder if those skinny invasive horrors would do for anything but soup. Not very meaty looking.

A caution about handling and eating rattlesnake or brown tree snake: please be sure to scrub after handling such critters (using gloves is advised, but scrub, too, even so) and please be especially sure to cook the meat thoroughly.

Rattlesnakes and other reptiles are vectors which can transmit an ancient type of parasitic worm to humans. Pentastomids are a sort of taxonomic oddity and living fossil of sorts ...but quite alive and well in the lung of rattlesnakes and other reptiles. Pentastomid worms were probably originally parasites in the lungs of dinosaurs and have perpetuated forward 'til today in the lung of snakes. [Yes, lung, singular; not a typo: snakes start out with two lungs in their embryological development but in most species the fully functional right lung enlarges and fills much of the body cavity while the left lung dwindles away to a vestigial bleb or is altogether absent in the adult.] If a human ingests pentastomid eggs or larvae (as via eating an inadequately cooked adult worm or contaminated snake flesh, or even just chewing on a fingernail or pencil for a second after touching a contaminated item) then pentastomids can go looking for a home inside the human host. Problems can ensue as they encyst in various places throughout the body or mature into vermiform instars and adults inside the eye or other inopportune spots within the human host.

If I remember correctly then rodents are the intermediate hosts pentastomid larvae are evolutionarily targeted toward. Strange-acting rats have recently been mentioned in another Punaweb discussion, connected with potential predation on giant African snail (the big "semi-slug" snails are known vectors for rat lungworm -a nematode- and leptspirosis -a bacterium- both of which also cause disease in humans as well). I wonder if any of those sick rats have ever been checked for pentastomid larave? If pentastomid larvae are detected inside sick rats then this would be a big smoking gun (more like a smoking Howitzer) indicating some type of reptile passing the larvae to the rats... and I'd guess those reptiles would likely turn out to be snakes rather than geckos.

Here is a good look at the business end of a pentastomid worm; scroll downscreen for really sexy whole-naked-body centerfold shots at
http://www.stanford.edu/class/humbio103/ParaSites2001/pentastomiasis/Erica%20parawebsite.html
...plus a few words in technical jargon about pentastomids in rattlesnakes and humans at
http://mrw.interscience.wiley.com/emrw/9780470015902/els/article/a0001609/current/abstract
and
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=23867
and
http://www.ajtmh.org/cgi/content/abstract/11/6/762

Bottom line: Bon appétit with snake meat or other bush meat including feral jungle pig --especially in time of duress and deprivation such as extreme poverty or war; protein malnutrition can permanently stunt the brain of a developing fetus, baby, or infant-- but please be sure to thoroughly cook the flesh lest infective parasites be coming in with the meal and causing real problems later. Better, by far, to stew some rats and snakes than to not if that is what it takes to get protein to your developing fetus, baby, or infant; thorough cooking does kill all parasites. "Thorough cooking" means frying in boiling oil or stewing at boiling for a minimum of 10 minutes; 30 minutes at boiling is preferable. Microwave ovens cannot be totally trusted to cook all areas evenly, especially close to a bone, unless the meat is damn-near nuked to a crisp.



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LeeE
Kamaaina

USA
911 Posts

Posted - 12/28/2008 :  07:56:45  Show Profile  Visit LeeE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Throw another snake on the barby!
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Tom Lackey
Da Kine

239 Posts

Posted - 12/28/2008 :  09:56:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Damon,

I did telephone the police and they called the rest of the people involved. It seems that because they {Ag department} did not catch or site the snake it’s a done deal. You can call whoever you would like, and like I said I have pic’s of the guys with their gear looking, but no pic’s of the snake. That snake is still out there and I for one believe that it has friends. As the old saying goes “you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink” One would think that with a sighting of a snake in the neighborhood even though it is unconfirmed that someone would alert all of my neighbors to be on the look out. Guess that I have to go to my chicken raising neighbors and pass that information on.

The Lack
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Damon
Punatic

3738 Posts

Posted - 12/28/2008 :  10:19:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Send me pics of the snake hunt and I'll post em on my blog!

This will make one hell of a story for me !!!

damontucker@yahoo.com

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Damon
Punatic

3738 Posts

Posted - 12/28/2008 :  11:06:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Pictures are now on my blog here.

Thanks Lack... Hope you find the snak.

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John S. Rabi
Punatic

USA
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Posted - 12/28/2008 :  16:36:16  Show Profile  Visit John S. Rabi's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I think te biggest problem is that these snakes are worst than rabbits with their sex lives!

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ef9
Da Kine

USA
211 Posts

Posted - 12/28/2008 :  23:33:09  Show Profile  Visit ef9's Homepage  Reply with Quote
What subdivision was the snake spotted?
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Damon
Punatic

3738 Posts

Posted - 12/28/2008 :  23:58:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote


I heard snakes like Christmas lights and sequencing music.

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Tom Lackey
Da Kine

239 Posts

Posted - 12/29/2008 :  07:44:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ef9,

Snake spotted in Hawaiian Beaches, three blocks up from the water.

Snakes like the sound of boom box bass speakers found in teenager's cars. They can't hear but they can feel the vibration of the bass and are attracted to it. Many have been found in snake country coiled up in the trunks of cars around the bass speakers. Hey, we may be on to something here.

The Lack
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ef9
Da Kine

USA
211 Posts

Posted - 12/29/2008 :  19:32:36  Show Profile  Visit ef9's Homepage  Reply with Quote


quote:
Originally posted by Damon



I heard snakes like Christmas lights and sequencing music.

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Damon
Punatic

3738 Posts

Posted - 12/30/2008 :  00:02:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lack... expect a call from KGMB possibly in the next 48 hours

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