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lostboystoy
Da Kine

USA
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Posted - 09/25/2008 :  08:59:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I know this subject has been covered before, but since the search, is still down.
As I am awaiting the closing on my house here in idaho, we will be coming the first week of Nov. to secure housing. Now whether we buy right away or rent, I would like to find out which subdivisions have the worst vog issues.
I have a blue and gold macaw that wont be able to handle the vog too much and I have asthma.
any advice would be greatly appreciated.



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Kelena
Punatic

USA
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Posted - 09/25/2008 :  09:14:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm not an expert on this, but I play one on TV so allow me to talk through my lauhala hat. The vog is emitted from two main sources: Pu'u O'o and, more importantly, Halema'uma'u. Both are within the confines of Hawaii Volcanoes National Park, to the West of Puna. Generally, the tradewinds blow these emissions and plumes away from Puna. These emissions are blown toward Kau (Pahala etc). They then wrap around Mauna Loa and blow up the Kona Coast.

The worst areas at present are Kau, where the problem is very serious and then the Captain Cook area, right on up to Kona. The vog is not as strong north of Kona because a wind blows over Kamuela and pushes it out to sea. The area around Hawi also has reduced vog, although they can get it, too. The Hamakua coast is relatively vog free as is Puna, oddly, under normal circumstances.

However, when the tradewinds die back, as they tend to do in Winter, the emissions head toward Puna and Hilo (my informal assessment is that they like Hilo better than Puna).

All that said, when the tradewinds are up, Puna has great air in my view. But this is very personal. I know people who are highly sensitive to vog. Their bodies can easily detect the traces that exist even when the trades are blowing. I appear to be less susceptible.

All of this could change at a moment's notice. The current trend is toward extreme vogginess in the patterns describe above. There are little links that show you SO2 readings, but the readings tend to reflect the patterns above. Lately, there have been several die-backs of the trades, making for worsened conditions in Puna. Pray for wind.

As for particular subdivisions, I have no idea, but my guess is that the closer to the coast your subdivision, the less overall vog you will experience...due to the winds. Kapoho usually has great air and sunshine, too.

Edited by - Kelena on 09/25/2008 11:52:19
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aikahimomma
Da Kine

177 Posts

Posted - 09/25/2008 :  09:34:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
in the acres we get vog on a kona wind morning ..it blankets my whole 5 acres for an hour or 2, then departs..i call my family on oahu and tell them its coming..then they get it for days..i feel so lucky that i get it for one or two hours at the most and i am 15 miles from the 2 vents...

Edited by - aikahimomma on 09/25/2008 09:36:43
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Kapohocat
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USA
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Posted - 09/25/2008 :  10:11:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The vog seems to float uphill above us in Kapoho most days. Even with Kona winds it takes awhile to pack it in here. Hilo will be worse than us a lot faster because it seems to float right over about Pahoa and into Hilo.

if tradewinds are blowing, no worries at all.

And if you come from LA, or any big city with SMOG, the vog will be barely a blip almost no matter where you are --- until you acclimate... but pretty much by then you will also think Keaau Bypass is a traffic jam, and when the temp gets to 68 deg at night it is "Freezing".....

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kani-lehua
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USA
1251 Posts

Posted - 09/25/2008 :  11:44:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
aikahimomomma has it right. when it's "kona weather" or we have southerly winds, the vog blankets all islands including kailua where i'm at and i think her family is at.

the property that we made an offer on (can't tell you which one yet or the subdivision) apparently had 3 to 4 days of vog that sat on the subdivision? i don't believe that.

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Edited by - kani-lehua on 09/25/2008 11:45:18
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Nancy Fryhover
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Posted - 09/25/2008 :  12:43:40  Show Profile  Visit Nancy Fryhover's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Craig, the vog happens here in Tiki Gardens once in awhile...in the morning...then it is gone..I suppose on to hilo. But only when the wind is from the SW....but it happens. If we look out and see the vog, we keep the windows closed till about 10 and its usually gone.
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lostboystoy
Da Kine

USA
489 Posts

Posted - 09/25/2008 :  13:32:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you Momma Fryer, and all. Thank Glen, your rather informative, expect us to look you up and pick your brain. Maybe over food and drink.
Nancey hope to get to see you before you go back to the mainland.
Mahalo
Craig

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Shekelpal
Da Kine

100 Posts

Posted - 09/25/2008 :  13:40:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I seem to be quite effected by it in lower Puna. Actually, the last couple of months, most people I know have been effected in one way or another. Some people who are very high energy may just feel tired, others, cannot seem to get a breath and vomit mucus. Teary, red eyes, sore throats, and runny noses are common. I have a beeper that transmits all the medic and fire calls on the island. The days I was the sickest, there were emergency calls in abundance, mainly for respiratory distress, patient difficulty breathing, patient not feeling well, and chest pains. Many of these calls were to Puna and Hilo. If you have asthma already, maybe be very careful where you live. I didn#699;t have asthma before, but definitely have something that sure mimics the symptoms now, when the vog is bad. I have heard from a few people that the North part of the island is better.

The strong trades have been off this far south for, it seems years. If we get them, for the most part, they are not strong enough to really push the huge cloud of vog away. I have been in Honolulu and could barely stand up because of the strong trades, but at the same time, here - nada. According to the National Park Service, the SO2 is most concentrated closest to the vents. By the time the vog gets to Kona it is a lot of particulate and the SO2 is mostly gone or converted into something else. By far, though, Kau has it the worst.

One other thing I have noticed happening. Sometimes the high clouds will be coming from the East, Southeast or Northeast and the surface winds are strongly from the West or the Southwest. This could be blowing the vog back around this way.
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MarkP
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1033 Posts

Posted - 09/25/2008 :  20:37:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The volcano is potent enough to envelope the whole state if the wind is from the south. The only thing that saves us in Puna is the tradewinds. My place is in Eden Roc about 5 to 7 miles from Pu'u O'o crater. I can sometimes see the glow from the lava on the undersides of the clouds. However, 99 days out of 100 the air is clear and the only thing to contend with is rain. It is like standing next to a bear that hasn't noticed you yet. As long as he doesn't turn on you you might as well be touching him. I feel nervous in Puna but I truly pity the people in Ka'u, Na'alehu, and the whole coast south of Kona. I do work in Kona twice a month and it is truly shocking to see the dark cloud that hovers overhead. If you look north you see hazy patches of pale blue. Overhead is pale gray. South is dark and disturbing. I can only imagine what it is like in HOVE.

To be fair that means I haven't seen HOVE recently. In the past it has been hazy but not too bad.

Hawi and Kohala are beautiful and pristine but on a south wind day nothing can save you. I flew from Hilo to Honolulu a few months back on such a day. Vog blanketed the whole state. It was almost IFR getting into Honolulu although to be fair that was partly because of some low clouds. The worst point of the whole flight was crossing Upolu Point near Hawi. The best part was in Hilo where it was basically clear that day.
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MarkP
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1033 Posts

Posted - 09/27/2008 :  09:02:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Did I kill this thread with my dark and sinister description? I got carried away. The main points I was trying to make were as follows:

99 days out of 100, Puna is essentially clear, much better than Ka'u, Na'alehu, HOVE, etc.

1 day out of 100, it doesn't matter where you are in the state.
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julieb
Da Kine

119 Posts

Posted - 09/27/2008 :  10:48:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lower Leilani: Vog is rarely any factor at all here.
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KathyH
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USA
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Posted - 09/27/2008 :  10:49:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hawi, Kapa'au, and Hamakua will almost never have vog.
I spend a lot of time in Hawi, and the vog tends to head north towards Maui. Upolu Point is the dividing line, and Hawi is just past that, and might get a touch during the worst kona winds. I have actually never seen it wrap around Upolu and get to Kapa'au, but if it ever does it's much much rarer than vog anywhere else.

Waimea and Waikoloa do get vog because sometimes the winds push vog through the Saddle. I used to live in Waikoloa Village and left because between the dust and the vog and the winds, my lungs were trashed. BUT it was better than Kona.

Whatever is left in the vog by the time it gets to Kona, it often makes me cough.

I have a friend who lives in HOVE and works in Honaunau, and says home is no big deal but work is terrible. But HOVE is large and probably has microclimates.

I live north of Hilo seven miles and even when I see it flow into Hilo from my house, it usually doesn't get up to me. There were maybe 2-3 days this year that it did, when Puna and Hilo districts were blanketed.

I too feel bad for the people of Ka'u, especially Pahala.
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Hotzcatz
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USA
1753 Posts

Posted - 09/28/2008 :  08:46:42  Show Profile  Visit Hotzcatz's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hamakua gets vog, too. Sometimes we can barely see the ocean and that's scary! We have some filter masks which may help on bad days but we haven't tried them yet. I should check to see how much of the vog the filters can get. I'd think some scuba tanks might be a good thing to have around, just in case, if you were sensitive to the vog.

If there is any haze out there at all, my sinuses get all gummed up. If you don't want to use drugs to try and clear out your breathing, there is a nasal irrigation device called a "neti pot" which you can get from the health food stores. They are less than $20. You need a neti pot, some non-iodized salt and some purified water. Basically, with the neti pot you are pouring warm salt water through your nose to wash it out. Kinda bizarre but afterwards you feel all clean and washed out like after a good afternoon of body surfing. It is just a palliative and not a cure but breathing is fairly high on my "to do" list.
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Cindy Blankenship
Da Kine

USA
145 Posts

Posted - 10/17/2008 :  12:40:32  Show Profile  Visit Cindy Blankenship's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Is it the flu or vog? I didn't realize the vog got bad in HPP in winter. We moved here in February and didn't notice much but then that was before Halema`uma`u got so active - or maybe not. Anyway, I looked at http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/2008/08_08_14.html and found this:

"During trade wind disruptions, which occur as much as 50 percent of the time during winter months, air quality in windward Hawai`i deteriorates."

So maybe the constantly watering eyes and overall feeling of malice that started about 2 weeks ago isn't the flu but is the vog? I just started noticing I feel much better in the afternoon after the sun comes out...which would also be when the trades are blowing a bit. Today's it's still and overcast and I feel awful. Hmmm

Seems wherever you live though, there's something...my good friend in Oregon has to close her windows in spring and fall to keep out neighbors' fireplace smoke, my good friend in Texas has to deal with tornado threats and huddle in the closet with her pets...the entire West Coast is in the window period for a level 9 earthquake, smog where I grew up...I wonder though if the air quality in HPP is better closer to the ocean...

Edit: Shekepal, I didn't catch your post...just in too much of a hurry today. Or course it's the vog then for me, not the flu. Thank you for reporting on all that. You mentioned the north end of the island. I just met a gal from Waimea who moved here because the vog in North Kohala triggered asthma. Maybe way up in Hawi it wouldn't be as bad, but I've read in official reports it does travel up Kona to North Kohala :-(

Cindy

Edited by - Cindy Blankenship on 10/17/2008 13:00:44
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Cindy Blankenship
Da Kine

USA
145 Posts

Posted - 10/17/2008 :  12:56:02  Show Profile  Visit Cindy Blankenship's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Lostboystoy considering your asthma and that your bird, being a parrot, is vulnerable to
respiratory issues I would research to see what kind of air purifiers/air conditioners will keep the vog out of your home. I say A/C too because it would be just too hot to shut up everything, which I think you'd need to do for the air purifier to be effective. Also A/Cs also work as air filters to a point. I have mild asthma but it was far worse in Oregon in the cold than here. But I know it can really make it worse, so play it safe. I'm looking into A/C and air purifier right now, in spite of the cost of electric. I would only use it when the trades aren't blowing.


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StillHope
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USA
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Posted - 10/17/2008 :  14:38:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Cindy Blankenship

. I'm looking into A/C and air purifier right now, in spite of the cost of electric. I would only use it when the trades aren't blowing.

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I have Sharper Image GP air purifier and the consumption of electricity is really negligible.It has optional UV light.
There was some opinion that this type of air purifier doesn't do good job because it doesn't move the air efficiently.
When the publication came out I did return 2 of them and Sharper Image gave me all money back and paid for the shipping,but I decided to leave one and don't regret.
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