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kalakoa
Motormouth

12429 Posts

Posted - 09/17/2014 :  07:48:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
PCDP seeks to centralize development in "designated commercial areas".

To date, there is only one major development, which is now under threat of lava inundation. Maybe this wasn't such a good idea?

What issues prevented the buildout of the other "designated" areas? Specifically in lower Puna, the PCDP identifies 3 in HPP, 1 for Ainaloa, and "possible subject to community review" in Nanavale, Kapoho, Seaview and Leilani. The existing areas in Orchidland and Hawaiian Beaches are also identified.

Had some development actually happened outside of Pahoa, those businesses would now exist to help fill the void left by the Malama Market shopping center if/when it is destroyed or becomes unreachable...

Rob Tucker
Kama'aina

9836 Posts

Posted - 09/17/2014 :  08:07:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There are several development areas. The two main ones are Pahoa and Keaau.
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kalakoa
Motormouth

12429 Posts

Posted - 09/17/2014 :  08:44:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Exactly. Two areas have actual development. One of them is in the path of the lava.
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Rob Tucker
Kama'aina

9836 Posts

Posted - 09/17/2014 :  10:17:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It is what it is. If you have a crystal ball to tell us what will be covered in the next fifty years bring it out.
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kalakoa
Motormouth

12429 Posts

Posted - 09/17/2014 :  11:55:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It doesn't take a crystal ball to realize that if you only have two, you could lose half of them at once. A third (fourth, fifth) improves the odds somewhat.
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Rob Tucker
Kama'aina

9836 Posts

Posted - 09/17/2014 :  11:58:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Some of the others are Mountain View and Volcano Village. HPP has land for a decent commercial center. Others are scheduled in the PCDP too.
It is a planning document.
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SBango
Newbie

USA
23 Posts

Posted - 09/17/2014 :  21:51:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It is a planning document that will never be implemented because there are too many obstacles.....legal, political, practical and fiscal issues. The Puna community is also not cohesive enough to implement this plan. Best outcome from the lava flow would be for the County and community to burn the CDP and start over with a new plan.
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kalakoa
Motormouth

12429 Posts

Posted - 09/18/2014 :  07:07:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It is a planning document that will never be implemented

Exactly -- in the near term, PCDP is all about "having a plan". Implementation runs out to 2030.

What I fail to understand is: locations have been designated for "commercial centers", the community is massively underserved, yet somehow no new commercial property has been brought into existence in the 6 years since the PCDP was given the force of law.

Low-hanging fruit: there's a nice half-completed commercial building near the Orchidland General Store. Yes, construction could have stalled for any number of reasons that have nothing to do with the PCDP. Demand exists for more services, many of which are now being lost to the lava flow, so why isn't at least this project being restarted?

Having just looked through it again, I admit the PCDP is a nice piece of work... with some good recommendations... yet it still seems to be going nowhere fast.
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Punaperson
Da Kine

USA
202 Posts

Posted - 09/19/2014 :  09:03:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Kalakoa: " so why isn't at least this project ( by Orchidland General Store ) being restarted ? "

Because of the traffic, noise and trash generated by the present complex, with the burden being born by the relatively small number of OLE residents while the convenience goes to all.
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leilaniguy
Punatic

USA
1367 Posts

Posted - 09/19/2014 :  09:28:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Everybody wants a store, but nobody wants to live next to one.
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kalakoa
Motormouth

12429 Posts

Posted - 09/19/2014 :  10:19:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Everybody wants a store, but nobody wants to live next to one.

Everybody wants an alternate route to town, too.

I now see the problem as more of an impasse; any development that might impact someone's lifestyle choices is "bad" -- and because everything has some impact, all development is therefore bad.

"Centralized" development means nobody has to bear the burden of living near the commercial center, but everybody gets to suffer the congested commute to drive there.

"Distributed" development means a few people have to suffer the burden of living next to the commercial center, but many can walk/bike there.

It appears that, despite the intent documented in the PCDP, there will not actually be any new commercial centers; all growth will be concentrated in existing "town centers" (thus excluding Orchidland).

The growth isn't going to stop.

Puna needs a better solution.
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VancouverIslander
Kamaaina

Canada
995 Posts

Posted - 09/28/2014 :  06:48:46  Show Profile  Visit VancouverIslander's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by leilaniguy

Everybody wants a store, but nobody wants to live next to one.



But in a democracy, shouldn't the majority rule these questions? Services (including commercial services) seem to find a way to be implemented in much of the rest of the developed world.
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kalakoa
Motormouth

12429 Posts

Posted - 09/28/2014 :  09:07:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
in a democracy, shouldn't the majority rule these questions?

The local version of "democracy" is "one acre, one vote". Shipman (and a handful of others) want commercial development to be concentrated in "designated zones" which happen to be on land they own. Letting ordinary people develop their land means taking money out of Shipman's pockets.

If you don't like "follow the money", the alternate explanation is simpler: there is no clear majority. For everyone who wants a corner store, there's someone who opposes the "congestion and crime" that is somehow automatically included with any development.

Ironically, developing a modern telecommunications infrastructure would create plenty of opportunity without adding (and likely reducing) traffic congestion, but somehow this doesn't happen either.

services seem to find a way ... in much of the rest of the developed world.

It could easily be argued that Puna is not part of "the developed world".
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ironyak
Punatic

USA
3084 Posts

Posted - 11/13/2014 :  00:52:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Punaperson

Kalakoa: " so why isn't at least this project ( by Orchidland General Store ) being restarted ? "

Because of the traffic, noise and trash generated by the present complex, with the burden being born by the relatively small number of OLE residents while the convenience goes to all.



Does anyone know the details here regarding the stalled development? I haven't heard of any concerns or complaints, so was guessing financial issues or possible lack of demand?

As for fiscal costs, the commercial entities pay more in road fees to help offset the maintenance. As the OLCA sets these fees, they hopefully are sufficient.
http://orchidland.org/association-business/fees-assessments/

As for other burdens, is there a record of complaints? I for one find it convenient to have some fuel, food, and hardware options closer at hand, but I do not live immediately next to them either.
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pbmaise
Kamaaina

USA
939 Posts

Posted - 12/29/2014 :  08:42:26  Show Profile  Visit pbmaise's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Vancouver

You wrote

Services(including commercial services)seem to find a way to be implemented in much of the rest of the developed world.

The key difference is Puna is new. A new store or small business can open on every street in London and Paris because for hundreds of years other businesses used that same location.

In S.E. Asia the standard for many neighborhoods is to construct hundreds of three story shared walled buildings with a common parking area.

This permits a shopkeeper to open a small store or business on the ground floor, and live on 2nd and 3rd.

With this model the shopkeepers and homeowners are one.

The American model forces the shopkeeper to have a separate house, drive to work, and pay a high monthly rent on a store they will never own.

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kalakoa
Motormouth

12429 Posts

Posted - 12/29/2014 :  08:57:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The American model forces the shopkeeper to have a separate house, drive to work, and pay a high monthly rent on a store they will never own.

There are other options:

- buy (or lease) a building in a mixed-use development (however, people who can afford this option don't really need to run a business)

- if the business is small enough, invest the $30K+ and 1-2 years in the local Special Use process (again, people who can afford this option probably don't need to run a business)


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