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Iju
Da Kine

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Posted - 04/20/2017 :  13:57:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
And two responses followed from our two senators.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/20/jeff-sessions-doesnt-think-a-judge-in-hawaii-a-k-a-an-island-in-the-pacific-should-overrule-trump/?tid=pm_pop&utm_term=.4bb42d666fc3

Edited - The AG's last name.

Edited by - Iju on 04/20/2017 15:44:57

PaulW
Punatic

3896 Posts

Posted - 04/20/2017 :  14:43:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Much as I don't like him, he is correct. The judge was sitting on an island in the Pacific. And, separately, Hawaii is an island in the Pacific (though not the one the judge was sitting on). Now I wonder which island his granddaughter was born on?
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kalakoa
Punatic

8312 Posts

Posted - 04/20/2017 :  14:45:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This one is more my style:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/04/jeff_sessions_thinks_hawaii_is_not_a_real_state.html
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Eric1600
Da Kine

USA
300 Posts

Posted - 04/20/2017 :  15:58:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Much as I don't like him, he is correct. The judge was sitting on an island in the Pacific. And, separately, Hawaii is an island in the Pacific (though not the one the judge was sitting on).

States should have equal rights and representation, no? Hawaii probably has far more international and multi-cultural interests than most states so it seems relevant to me. Sessions approved the judge he is attacking. The White House attacks on other branches of government and lack of respect they demonstrate, including the death threats the judges are receiving should have everyone worried. J. Sessions attitude is more than disturbing.
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kalakoa
Punatic

8312 Posts

Posted - 04/20/2017 :  16:01:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
J. Sessions attitude is more than disturbing.

Let's take him at his word and become a sovereign nation...
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SoCal_to_Hawaii
Da Kine

USA
104 Posts

Posted - 04/20/2017 :  16:44:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
[quote]Originally posted by Eric1600



... Hawaii probably has far more international and multi-cultural interests than most states so it seems relevant to me.



The six countries in the temporary travel ban are: Syria, Iran, Libya, Sudan, Yemen, and Somalia. Now, tourism is big business here. But exactly how many tourists do you think Hawaii gets from these countries? My guess is not many, if any. And since tourism is so important here I'm sure the Hawaii Tourism Board/Committee/Hui knows just how many tourists we get from any country and how many dollars they spend. If my guess is wrong, it should not be difficult to disprove.

edited for spelling (thank you PaulW)

Edited by - SoCal_to_Hawaii on 04/22/2017 18:12:06
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pog
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Posted - 04/21/2017 :  00:09:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Right SCal + what are we losing as (IMO) 1/2 of our OWN nation is hating the judge and thereby the State.

Glad we have the huge blue moat around us.

Mexico did get some nice cheers Wednesday night though.
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Eric1600
Da Kine

USA
300 Posts

Posted - 04/21/2017 :  06:04:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SoCal_to_Hawaii
The six countries in the temporary travel ban are: Syria, Iran, Lybia, Sudan, Yemen, and Somalia. Now, tourism is big business here. But exactly how many tourists do you think Hawaii gets from these countries? My guess is not many, if any. And since tourism is so important here I'm sure the Hawaii Tourism Board/Committee/Hui knows just how many tourists we get from any country and how many dollars they spend. If my guess is wrong, it should not be difficult to disprove.



This is a problem of perception. The travel ban blocked many innocent people who were authorized by the US to be in the country. This sent a scary message to many people from lots of other countries.

"The travel ban, such as it is, would affect less than 0.1% of all visitors. But the whole rhetoric around it has damaged the U.S. brand as a destination," said Adam Sacks, president of Tourism Economics. "It's a very discretionary market. It takes very little for them to shift their travel plan and preferences."

"Bookings and survey data are all indicating that travelers are adjusting their travel plans," he said.

It's not just leisure travel -- business travel will also be affected, said Mike McCormick, executive director of the Global Business Travel Association.

Nearly half of business travel managers say they're expecting to cut back on meetings and conferences in the U.S., according to a survey by the group.


The drop -- nearly 7% of expected travelers -- will cost the U.S. economy more than $18 billion and about 107,000 jobs, according to Tourism Economics, a forecasting firm used by the industry.
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PaulW
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Posted - 04/21/2017 :  06:56:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It will also lead to less international students coming to the US and spending $$$. All apart from the possibility that it's unconstitutional. What a blunder.
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mermaid53
Kamaaina

USA
646 Posts

Posted - 04/21/2017 :  07:14:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sen Brian Schatz slams Jeff Sessions on MSNBC 20 Apr 2017:

https://search.aol.com/aol/video?s_it=sb-top&v_t=video-ans&q=You+Tube+Brian+Schatz+response+to+Sessions+on+MSNBC

We're very proud to be the 50th State....only state a majority is non Caucasian which makes Hawaii a special place....

Yes indeed, Hawaii's a very special place bc of that diversity. I choose to celebrate it.

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kalakoa
Punatic

8312 Posts

Posted - 04/21/2017 :  07:22:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
travelers are adjusting their travel plans

This was already happening due to the "border security", the "travel ban" just makes it more visible.

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glassnumbers
Da Kine

USA
110 Posts

Posted - 04/21/2017 :  08:20:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mermaid, the thing about Hawai'i being the only state with a majority that is non-Caucasian is not true. The District of Columbia has 46% black people to 37% white, and New Mexico has 44% hispanic to 37% white.

http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-raceethnicity/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22White%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D

Aloha :)
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PaulW
Punatic

3896 Posts

Posted - 04/21/2017 :  08:59:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"only state a majority is non Caucasian"

Depends what he meant by Caucasian. Seems he's including Hispanics in that category. Not that it matters.
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guardship
Newbie

Ireland
4 Posts

Posted - 04/21/2017 :  09:02:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Dude and I both like Caucasians.
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mermaid53
Kamaaina

USA
646 Posts

Posted - 04/21/2017 :  09:34:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
glassnumbers, that's an interesting chart. Mahalo!

edited to add:

Persons of Hispanic origin may be of any race; all other racial/ethnic groups are non-Hispanic.
???

Edited by - mermaid53 on 04/21/2017 09:41:46
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Iju
Da Kine

313 Posts

Posted - 04/21/2017 :  09:54:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Today the New York Times provide information on "What is Hawaii?"

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/21/travel/hawaii-facts-sessions.html?_r=0
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