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HereOnThePrimalEdge
Punatic

South Sandwich Islands
6387 Posts

Posted - 04/07/2018 :  07:44:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Hawaii Forest Institute is looking for volunteers to help determine which species of conifers may grow well at low to mid elevations on the Big Island, to develop a local Christmas Tree industry. Here are the requirements to become a participant:

Aloha,
Aileen Yeh is looking for cooperators on Hawai'i Island for our "Production & Evaluation of Mid-to-Low Elevation Locally-grown Trees" project. If you are interested, please email Aileen at ayeh@hawaii.rr.com with the following information by April 15, 2018:

Your Name and phone number
Location of your property
Approximate rainfall at your property
Approximate elevation of your property
Approximate soil type at your property

Cooperator Requirements

As a cooperator, you will need to plant at least five seedlings of each species in the ground. You can also pot some to see how they do as potted trees. Seedlings will be provided by Aileen and the number of seedlings each cooperator plants to be determined.

Documentation will include recording:

Date received
Date planted or potted
Height and root collar diameter at planting
Height and root collar diameter at least every three months
Kind of fertilizer used if any
Your observations

The plants must be maintained to keep the weeds down. Your observations are important. Do you think they would make good Christmas trees? You can volunteer to host a field day for other growers to see your plantings, however this is not required.


https://www.hawaiiforestinstitute.org/our-projects/christmas-tree-demonstration-project/production-evaluation-of-mid-to-low-elevation-locally-grown-trees-to-replace-imported-christmas-trees/

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bananahead
Punatic

USA
1070 Posts

Posted - 04/09/2018 :  08:43:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
conifers are not native.. they should never be planted here... period.... no need for mess up the island anymore than it already is... with planting 100% wasted effort vegetation (grow, kill, display for 3 weeks, then trash every Jan) of non native trees for a kooky Macy's kine fairy tail holiday.. aloha

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save our indigenous and endemic Hawaiian Plants... learn about them, grow them, and plant them on your property, ....instead of all that invasive non-native garbage I see in most yards... aloha

Edited by - bananahead on 04/09/2018 08:44:20
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
Punatic

South Sandwich Islands
6387 Posts

Posted - 04/09/2018 :  09:16:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
conifers are not native..

While that's true, it's doubtful people are going to stop displaying Christmas trees in their homes at Christmas.
If we continue importing cut trees, we also continue to bring snails, slugs, wasps, moths, etc etc into Hawaii - - all non-native. That's one of the goals of the program, to reduce importation of invasive species, only somewhat ironically, by growing non-invasive non-native tree species.

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Carey
Punatic

6808 Posts

Posted - 04/09/2018 :  18:19:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
true irony... BANANAhead condemning non-natives.... as if bananas are native.....
As the ancient Polynesian mariner knew, it is hard to survive in an environment with strictly endemic & indigenous plants... and animals...& they were the first of fleet-loads of ships to bring their "comfort species" (& their dependents...)
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rainyjim
Punatic

1968 Posts

Posted - 04/09/2018 :  22:20:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
https://www.jstor.org/stable/43477609?seq=6#page_scan_tab_contents

I got to reading this after reading your comment Carey, the title is misleading but it is really interesting about the banana production in Hawaii.
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1voyager1
Kamaaina

USA
640 Posts

Posted - 04/23/2018 :  19:39:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The greatest potential problem with growing local conifers for local consumption is that those grown under warmer conditions, when brought indoors will usually have a massive needle drop under in-home conditions.
The best performing cut trees for indoor Christmas use are grown a colder environment.

I will admit my experience is dated.
It is possible that breeding programs may have brought about changes in the farmed trees and their adaptability to an indoor environment.
But, it'd have to be proven to me.
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kalakoa
Motormouth

10849 Posts

Posted - 04/23/2018 :  19:51:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The best performing cut trees for indoor Christmas use are grown a colder environment.

Mauna Kea gets pretty cold.
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1voyager1
Kamaaina

USA
640 Posts

Posted - 04/23/2018 :  20:40:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
@ kalakoa
It is also above timber line.
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
Punatic

South Sandwich Islands
6387 Posts

Posted - 04/23/2018 :  22:05:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
those grown under warmer conditions, when brought indoors will usually have a massive needle drop

A local tree can be cut & placed in water almost immediately. A tree grown in colder Washington state, will be cut, sprayed with green dye so it looks fresh, shipped dry by truck to Seattle, transferred into a container, loaded on a ship, until weeks later it finally arrives in Hawaii. Then the trunk is cut and placed in a tree holder filled with water, although the needles are already brown under the green dye and chemical pine scent.

Most trees I've purchased that were grown on the mainland lose needles with a good shake after a few days in the living room.

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hrooster
Da Kine

139 Posts

Posted - 04/24/2018 :  22:25:58  Show Profile  Visit hrooster's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge


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https://www.hawaiiforestinstitute.org/our-projects/christmas-tree-demonstration-project/production-evaluation-of-mid-to-low-elevation-locally-grown-trees-to-replace-imported-christmas-trees/

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http://the-hroost.com
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terracore
Punatic

4974 Posts

Posted - 04/25/2018 :  16:31:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.hawaiiforestinstitute.org/our-projects/christmas-tree-demonstration-project/production-evaluation-of-mid-to-low-elevation-locally-grown-trees-to-replace-imported-christmas-trees/

Fixed it for you.
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hrooster
Da Kine

139 Posts

Posted - 04/25/2018 :  22:51:59  Show Profile  Visit hrooster's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by terracore

http://www.hawaiiforestinstitute.org/our-projects/christmas-tree-demonstration-project/production-evaluation-of-mid-to-low-elevation-locally-grown-trees-to-replace-imported-christmas-trees/

Fixed it for you.


Thanks, I have a friend starting a CT farm at about 600ft elevation....he'll find this interesting.

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Hotzcatz
Punatic

USA
1785 Posts

Posted - 04/27/2018 :  08:17:51  Show Profile  Visit Hotzcatz's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Generally folks grow Norfolk, Star or Cook Island pines for christmas trees. The top six to ten feet is lopped off and displayed as a christmas tree and the remaining trunk then resprouts a new top which will be ready in a few years.

They may be trying to grow a more traditional type of christmas tree since the Norfolks have a lot of space between the branches. Which, IMHO, makes a great place to dangle ornaments, but maybe folks got different ideas on proper christmas trees.


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glassnumbers
Da Kine

USA
255 Posts

Posted - 05/16/2018 :  23:58:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bananahead's comment is just part of the endless "more jobs/development/jobs for Hawai'ian people! Look at how many homeless we have, we should have as many job opportunities as we can!" vs. "No, we need to preserve the 'aina above all else, no matter what! Every time some asshole tries to make Hawai'i "better" by introducing a species or building something, it just ****s the environment!" argument that I hear endlessly hear in Hawai'i. I dunno what side I'm on, personally. The 'aina is why I love Hawai'i. On the other hand, it feels selfish of me to want to enjoy the wilderness of Ka'u at the expense of jobs for the average working guy. I wish some comprimise could be made, but as has been proven many times in the past, we can't know what even a small change will do to Hawai'i's incredibly diverse microclimates, there's simply not enough people studying our island, sadly. So, while I agree with anything that increases economy and jobs for the kama'aina, OTOH, what's the environmental impact of planting conifers? Will it crowd out native plants or provide a home for invasive species?

Aloha :)

Edited by - glassnumbers on 05/16/2018 23:59:54
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ElysianWort
Kamaaina

USA
968 Posts

Posted - 05/17/2018 :  07:12:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sounds like a good idea. Plant those Christmas trees.

I'm all ears:
can anyone tell me how this could negatively impact our island/environment here?

Maybe only if they used a bunch of herbicides and pesticides to grow them. -and I think those trees are hardy and don't need the chemicals to grow.
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dan d
Da Kine

USA
317 Posts

Posted - 05/17/2018 :  07:14:55  Show Profile  Visit dan d's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Tom beck on mtn view grows them every year on cl sales

Dan D
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