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leilanidude
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USA
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Posted - 07/11/2018 :  05:43:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2018/06/29/hawaii-news/police-persistent-claims-about-looting-are-mostly-just-rumors/

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/38616069/an-evacuee-returns-home-to-find-thieves-not-lava-had-taken-everything

Why are the police claiming that looting/thefts are nearly non-existent?

How are people getting in to areas that are supposedly off-limits and patrolled?

I personally know 4 people in Leilani, who have had their homes looted since this began.

Chunkster
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Posted - 07/11/2018 :  06:49:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The police and prosecutor's public statements have tended to minimize crime for some time now, and it started long before the eruption. The published statistics are questioned by many, but I have no way of knowing if they are "cooked" in the usual sense. Some of this perceived discrepancy might be under reporting by citizens due to frustration with the ineffective local criminal justice system. Neighborhood Watch told me that some of it is caused by arcane police rules as to how they define a crime.

Given the large area affected by the eruption, the remote nature of much of it, and relatively high rates of burglary prior to the eruption, I think looting was to be expected. Whether the cops were prepared for it or reporting it accurately can be debated.
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
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South Sandwich Islands
6195 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2018 :  07:00:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
this perceived discrepancy

I think the movie Annie Hall explained perceived discrepancy quite well in the scene, split screen, where Annie & Alvie visit their psychiatrists, and discuss how often they have “relations”:

https://youtu.be/O7nPkpdFAic
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Rob Tucker
Kama'aina

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Posted - 07/11/2018 :  07:13:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It would be nice if one of these victims has a GPS tracker installed in an appliance or something. I'd love to see a quick arrest.
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MarkD
Kamaaina

753 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2018 :  09:04:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
GPS trackers being used to catch package thieves:

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/12/13/police-use-bait-packages-gps-theft/

How helpful it would be if our local police set up a collaboration with homeowners who purchased such trackers ("Tile" is one). Homeowners place tracker in one of their possessions and register with police. Upon a burglary reported, police could expeditiously track down the thieves.

https://www.thetileapp.com/en-us/blog/how-to-find-your-stolen-motorcycle-with-tile

Will things ever change? Will our police ever show initiative, be open to new crime control methods?
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leilanidude
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USA
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Posted - 07/11/2018 :  09:09:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Will our police ever show initiative, be open to new crime control methods?
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No, because they might catch their relatives, and they know it...
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randomq
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USA
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Posted - 07/11/2018 :  10:02:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It would be nice if the thieves simply ceased to exist. The kind of people that would steal from their neighbors would probably do all sorts of other things too... But if we have to catch them, bait cars and GPS tracked items seem like a great idea. Engraving is even simpler and would make it hard to sell or display stolen goods.
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kalakoa
Motormouth

10639 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2018 :  10:06:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It would be nice if the thieves simply ceased to exist.

Can we start with the various County departments?

bait cars and GPS tracked items seem like a great idea

HPD will find reasons they can't accept this "evidence".
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Gdhsquare
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USA
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Posted - 07/11/2018 :  14:27:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You are solely responsible to protect your life and your property, not the police. Police only enforce the laws. Stop relying on the police, especially in a place where it is nearly impossible for police to respond in time to help you. You have every Constitutional right to stand your ground. Stop being weak about this. Someone comes onto your property uninvited with intentions to do harm, ventilate them. Make them go out with more holes they came in with. Does anyone here really care about meth heads and perps?
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Gdhsquare
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USA
37 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2018 :  14:33:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote


Bait cars? How many officers does the HPD put on any given shift in Puna? Puna is massive and mostly undeveloped. You are responsible to protect your property, not the police. Police are just there to take a report, nothing more. The only other option is to hire more police for omnipresence which they are not going to do.
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
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South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 07/11/2018 :  15:06:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bait cars? How many officers does the HPD put on any given shift in Puna

Bait cars in Puna would by necessity have to operate by remote control. That is, when a thief enters the vehicle and is recognized as such by video uplink to the desk operator in Pahoa, door locks would activate, the engine would stall, leaving power only to the radio, tuned to Hawaii Public Radio, either classical, or news and information.

Then, when three or more Puna patrol officers can rendezvous at the bait car, the thief is apprehended, auditorily sedated by the tranquil sounds of chamber sonatas or an hour long in depth evaluation of key issues facing voters in the upcoming primary election.
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Gdhsquare
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USA
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Posted - 07/11/2018 :  15:19:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote


Lmao

Edited by - Gdhsquare on 07/11/2018 15:20:02
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MarkD
Kamaaina

753 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2018 :  16:54:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
GDhsquare: LMAO - Laughing My Ass Off

Really? Pretty cocky for a Newbie, aren't you? Worse, you're ignorant. Moderator: You need to think and relax a bit before you post. Keep this up and you will be missing for awhile. This is trolling.

(ETA: Agree. My bad.)

"Someone comes onto your property uninvited with intentions to do harm, ventilate them. Make them go out with more holes they came in with. Does anyone here really care about meth heads and perps?"

Everyone who has been in Hawaii for any length of time knows this is rubbish:

1)This isn't Texas, where aggressive self defense is tolerated. Hawaii law enforcement is highly intolerant of people engaging in self defense. They'll throw your ass in prison.

2) Strangers coming to your home to harm you are rare in Hawaii, statistically. Our big problem is theft. You can't just gun down a thief.

- - - -

High tech in crime control, including drones and GPS tracking, is inevitable nationwide. Might take a bit longer in Hawaii.



Edited by - MarkD on 07/11/2018 19:36:19
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kalakoa
Motormouth

10639 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2018 :  17:06:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hawaii law enforcement is highly intolerant of people engaging in self defense.

Yet they can't (or won't) respond in a timely fashion, if at all.
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mella l
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USA
2752 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2018 :  18:03:16  Show Profile  Visit mella l's Homepage  Reply with Quote
hehehehe heh I love how you think!

quote:
Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge

Bait cars? How many officers does the HPD put on any given shift in Puna

Bait cars in Puna would by necessity have to operate by remote control. That is, when a thief enters the vehicle and is recognized as such by video uplink to the desk operator in Pahoa, door locks would activate, the engine would stall, leaving power only to the radio, tuned to Hawaii Public Radio, either classical, or news and information.

Then, when three or more Puna patrol officers can rendezvous at the bait car, the thief is apprehended, auditorily sedated by the tranquil sounds of chamber sonatas or an hour long in depth evaluation of key issues facing voters in the upcoming primary election.



mella l
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TomK
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USA
7178 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2018 :  22:39:50  Show Profile  Visit TomK's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Gdhsquare,

"You are solely responsible to protect your life and your property, not the police. Police only enforce the laws. Stop relying on the police, especially in a place where it is nearly impossible for police to respond in time to help you."[...]

If you your home is in an area that has a mandatory evacuation order, i.e., the one where you face serious charges for just remaining on your own property, then your advice doesn't help very much.
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