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kalakoa
Motormouth

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Posted - 10/03/2018 :  08:31:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2018/10/03/hawaii-news/administration-updates-county-council-members-on-plans-for-lava-viewing-platform/

"Managing expectations" will be key to the success of a public-private partnership to create a lava viewing area now that the lava flow in lower Puna has subsided.
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"A few weeks into the event, the mayor said we need to share the majesties of this historic geologic event," said county Research and Development Director Diane Ley, adding the hoped-for outcome is a "managed viewing site that is respectful of adjacent properties and residences, respectful of our environment … and provide(s) opportunities to businesses within and outside Pahoa."
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The plan includes county-contracted shuttle buses to ferry passengers from a parking lot in downtown Pahoa to a cultural center at a location know as "the Hub," across from Pahoa High and Intermediate School. The center, on property owned by Gilbert Aguinaldo, would feature exhibits, a movie theater, eateries, a gift shop and cultural displays to educate the public. It would rent space out to nonprofits.


Whenever I see the phrase "public-private partnership", I automatically think "well-connected business gets free public subsidy". In this case, the "cultural center" requries permits (and probably a rezoning), after which our taxes will subsidize some tourbuses.

Under "tourism theory", it all trickles-down into our economy, right? Mostly to Oahu, but we still get a few pennies.

dan d
Da Kine

USA
467 Posts

Posted - 10/03/2018 :  08:38:47  Show Profile  Visit dan d's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Why would they need a shuttle bus to go 1/2 a block. They can see the same thing by driving to the dump?

Dan D
HPP
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kalakoa
Motormouth

11110 Posts

Posted - 10/03/2018 :  08:45:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Open to the public" but only with a strict checkpoint that requires staffing, possibly built/operated with emergency dollars in addition to public funds.
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Chunkster
Punatic

1836 Posts

Posted - 10/03/2018 :  08:46:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Council member from the article:

“I think the most important thing is to manage the expectations,” Lee Loy said.

Yes, we all have the expectation that it will be an expensive boondoggle that will benefit the "right" people. The management component will be seeing to it that nobody notices that the Emperor has no clothes.
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MarkD
Kamaaina

894 Posts

Posted - 10/03/2018 :  09:54:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Maybe we can also build an ocean viewing platform. And a forest viewing platform.

All platforms will have guards posted and be surrounded by barbed wire to make sure no one walks on to dangerous ground.
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
Punatic

South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 10/03/2018 :  09:56:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
surrounded by barbed wire

With chainlink fencing on both sides of the barbed wire. So no one is poked by the barbs.

On Tuesday night, 9/18/2018 Hawaii Senator Mazie Hirono had another message for the Republican senators on the Judiciary Committee “Just shut up and step up. Do the right thing.” She added in another related comment, “Bull$hit.”
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Lolo
malihini

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Posted - 10/03/2018 :  12:44:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh boy, more traffic on a two lane road that can't handle current traffic. How do you folks feel about tour busses going through your neighborhood gawking at the destruction? And downtown Pahoa is so lovely to see.
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Seeb
Punatic

1891 Posts

Posted - 10/03/2018 :  19:19:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wait ! What ! A platform to view rocks from a distance? Or are they just continuing a late project because of a contract or something
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ElysianWort
Punatic

USA
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Posted - 10/03/2018 :  19:36:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Why would they need a shuttle bus to go 1/2 a block. They can see the same thing by driving to the dump?

lol Dan that is funny!

I suggest taking it a step further and declaring it a national park lava viewing area but still keep the dump going. A two-fer. Tourists can come see lava and clean out their rental cars while smelling the aroma of Pahoa residents' trash.
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kalakoa
Motormouth

11110 Posts

Posted - 10/03/2018 :  19:50:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
tour busses going through your neighborhood

More of that "privately owned but open to the public" BS.
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TomK
Punatic

USA
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Posted - 10/03/2018 :  19:59:17  Show Profile  Visit TomK's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Seeb wrote:

"Wait ! What ! A platform to view rocks from a distance? Or are they just continuing a late project because of a contract or something"

From the Trib article kalakoa posted:

"“Right now, it’s all very fluid. [...]” said Hilo Councilwoman Sue Lee Loy."

Probably not the best choice of words by the councilwoman.
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randomq
Punatic

USA
1233 Posts

Posted - 10/04/2018 :  04:23:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Moving at the speed of (solidified) lava... And just as smart. Good job county council. :P

If I lived on private property near the viewing area, I'd be naked in my back yard every day.
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dan d
Da Kine

USA
467 Posts

Posted - 10/04/2018 :  07:21:06  Show Profile  Visit dan d's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Since the lava thread is closed dont know where to post. Puoo showing positive deformation

https://volcanoes.usgs.gov/vsc/captures/kilauea/summit_erz_tilt_week.png

Dan D
HPP
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Chunkster
Punatic

1836 Posts

Posted - 10/04/2018 :  08:17:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
@Dan D: New thread? I confess to be clueless about what that potentially means, so will somebody please explain it?
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Obie
Punatic

USA
3242 Posts

Posted - 10/04/2018 :  08:34:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Lava viewing plan.

"The plan would incorporate the vision of a cultural center at the site of The Hub, where the grassroots effort to assist those impacted by the eruption took place on the property of Gilbert Aguinaldo. The plan also targets the empty Luquin’s Mexican Restaurant in lot in Pahoa for vehicle parking."

I wonder if they consulted Sal about using his parking lot ?
Shouldn't they have to do an environmental assessment ?

The tour busses never stopped there because the parking was gravel and they were afraid of the liability of someone falling.


http://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2018/10/04/video-lava-viewing-area-plans-revealed/

Edited by - Obie on 10/04/2018 08:36:23
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kalakoa
Motormouth

11110 Posts

Posted - 10/04/2018 :  08:43:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
a cultural center at the site of The Hub

Won't this require C zoning or at least an SUP?

the empty Luquin’s Mexican Restaurant in lot in Pahoa

Because nothing else will ever be built there? Wasn't the fire a year and a half ago?
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