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cjmbuffalo
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Posted - 02/12/2012 :  18:35:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by wax

Better yet, simply contract the service out. The customer chooses from a list and the provider is accountable. Cannot contract in the specialty that it inspects. Poor service results in bankruptcy.



That is the way it is done in some European countries and it is very efficient. You pick a firm at the beginning of your project and they are with you all the time. The company warrants the state that it is built correctly. Makes life very easy!
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wax
Da Kine

USA
132 Posts

Posted - 02/12/2012 :  18:45:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Part of the point is that you have an inspector who is truly committed to serving you. That includes your safety (the house is well built) AND efficient effective inspections. A final issue is that the cost of compliance and inspection falls only on the person who is building - not on all tax payers.
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IKE
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USA
33 Posts

Posted - 02/28/2012 :  06:59:15  Show Profile  Visit IKE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
ALOHA THERE EVERY ONE WELL FOR MYSELF WHAT I WOULD DO IS PLAN TO REMOVE THE BILL AS IT STANDS AND GET WITH THE COMMUNITY VET OUT CONCERNS AND REWRITE THE BILL SO IT REFLECTS THE BIG ISLAND AND THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HE.. THERES NOT JUST ONE PART OF THE BILL THATS RIGHT.. BECAUSE AS IT STANDS IT LEAVES MANY HOLES THAT THE NORMAL EVERYDAY PERSON TRYING TO LIVE AND WORK HERE,WILL FALL THRU. DUE TO THE BIG ISLAND BEING SUCH A BIG D.I.Y (DO IT YOURSELF)PLACE. THE BILL NEEDS TO REFLECT THOSE EFFORTS OF ITS PEOPLE.
FOR PEOPLE HERE BUILD WITH ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS, THEY BUILD WITH AN ARTISTIC FLARE.AND A RAWNESS THAT CAN ONLY BE MATCHED BY THE BIG ISLAND HER SELF.THE BIG ISLAND NEEDS TO STAY RURAL AND COUNTY..AND COME TOGETHER AS WHO WE ARE POOLING ALL OUR STRENGTHS AND COLLECTIVE TALENTS TO INSURE WE PERSERVE THE WAY OF LIFE ON OUR ISLAND

IKE PAYNE
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Barbara
Da Kine

USA
182 Posts

Posted - 02/28/2012 :  10:24:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The building code needs to be crafted for Hawaii Island.
I appreciate James and Zendo's comments. They are both refreshing.
The 'people who live here' are a collective treasure. IKE says it very well indeed.
One would think that the Planning Department AND the Building Department would have already worked together and crafted a working draft and held public meetings to develop changes to the codes.
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IKE
Newbie

USA
33 Posts

Posted - 02/28/2012 :  12:34:26  Show Profile  Visit IKE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
you know by letting the building code stand as is or changing it wont help the trueness of how rich our islands are.. think back when traditional buildings were thatched,and people would come together and build and shore up buildings .by having building codes that dont reflect the history of our past and the promise of the future generations being able to rebuild in the ways as they once did.. we will loose our true sense of self and the things that make all of the big island so very special.. we all as kanaka(humans) have a choice we can remember our past and walk thru the door of the future with open eyes to help and preserve or we can just forget about the rich cultural history of where we live and just close our eyes and bulldoze it all.. and in my eyes that what bill 270 does. it closes our cultural eyes and only sees profit.. i shall not stand for that.. and i hope you wont either and you'll help me design something that take more cultural understanding and can be a help to the people a resource instead of a reason for such high tension

IKE PAYNE
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Seeb
Punatic

1299 Posts

Posted - 02/28/2012 :  16:08:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
the states version has an appendix X, which covers traditional thatched construction. its klugy but its there
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IKE
Newbie

USA
33 Posts

Posted - 03/01/2012 :  06:13:29  Show Profile  Visit IKE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
maybe so but that has less to do with bill 270 and the big island and more about the state

IKE PAYNE
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Seeb
Punatic

1299 Posts

Posted - 03/01/2012 :  08:56:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The state code is what their amending and adopting and if the county doesn't adopt something by the deadline we get the states version by default
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Seeb
Punatic

1299 Posts

Posted - 03/01/2012 :  09:03:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There should be an FAQ or a Puna Wikipedia ( Punapedia ?) for some of these issues that have been going on for years
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IKE
Newbie

USA
33 Posts

Posted - 03/01/2012 :  10:27:38  Show Profile  Visit IKE's Homepage  Reply with Quote
i agree. and there needs to be a commmuinty vetting so we can get all our issues on the baord so we can handle them and look at the reality of them before our rights get taken away from us as of what there doing with this bill and others like it

IKE PAYNE
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niele
Newbie

10 Posts

Posted - 03/19/2012 :  09:03:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What???? What!!!! "During the recess they were discussing bill 270" That is a blantant violation of the Sunshine Law.
So they can break the law and in the same act criminalize subsistance housing.
I thought I smelled a rat when they came back and slickly called the question and voted slam bam and passed the bill.
Up yours, "you the people", listening to the peons is too tiring. Reading what you are voting on is too tiring.
It's time for Fred and his handlers to get some alone time to rest.
I am embarrassed I ever voted for that bum.
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niele
Newbie

10 Posts

Posted - 03/19/2012 :  09:07:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was refering to James Weatherford's post of 2/12/12 when I posted the above
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james weatherford
Punatic

USA
1609 Posts

Posted - 03/19/2012 :  11:09:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
niele,
To clarify, the discussion of Bill 270 was not during the recess.
The recess was during the meeting that Bill 270 was being discussed.
The two Council members sitting next to each other were not engaged in any type of discussion.
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Rene Siracusa
Kamaaina

515 Posts

Posted - 03/19/2012 :  11:26:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To clarify about the Sunshine Law: Two can discuss, but not three or more, outside of a meeting. And the discussions cannot be sequential: you can't discuss with one other person and then, later, with a third person. So even if the two persons referred to above were in recess and discussing an agendized item, that's allowed. As long as they don't take it any further.
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niele
Newbie

10 Posts

Posted - 03/19/2012 :  19:02:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh: I am sorry. I was talking of the other seven who voted FOR bill 270. Silly me to be suspicious and suspect collusion from our august elected officials. Damn consiracy theories, they just creep up on you.
I now believe they each had an individual mystical epiphany and returned moments later to vote in unison. Yes, that's it, that is an entirely plausable explaination of what occured.

Unicorns? Anyone.
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