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Chas
Kamaaina

587 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2019 :  15:15:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Old Croc

I could have provided a link, but her statement seemed so stark, so unambiguous--of a stand-alone nature--that it didn't need annotation or embellishment.
Chas meant left wingers, to wit: CNN, MSNBC, ABC, etc.





Please refrain from telling people what “I meant”.

I speak for myself
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
Punatic

South Sandwich Islands
8528 Posts

Posted - 11/17/2019 :  16:29:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I speak for myself

Yes!
As does Mazie!
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
Punatic

South Sandwich Islands
8528 Posts

Posted - 11/18/2019 :  09:43:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
More news on higher temperatures, worldwide:

Last month was second-hottest October on record, NOAA data shows
Australia, New Zealand and many of the islands in the South Pacific), the Caribbean and the Hawaiian islands were among the three highest on record for the month of October.
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/last-month-was-second-hottest-october-record-noaa-data-shows-n1085001
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
Punatic

South Sandwich Islands
8528 Posts

Posted - 11/20/2019 :  10:40:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Good God Almighty!

... more high temperature records broken Friday and Sunday in Hilo.

On Friday, the mercury hit 89, breaking the old record of 85 for that day which was set in 2015, according to information from the National Weather Service. And on Sunday, a high of 87 broke the record of 86 set on that date in 1970.

https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2019/11/19/hawaii-news/more-high-temperature-records-busted-in-hilo-during-hot-november/
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Old Croc
Da Kine

221 Posts

Posted - 11/24/2019 :  11:11:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I accidentally found two pieces on possibly next year's Super-Grand Solar Minimum. I'm impressed with Professor's alleged 97% accuracy. Note: this topic may have been discussed elsewhere in Punatalk, so I'm behind the times.

https://electroverse.net/professor-valentina-zharkova-breaks-her-silence-and-confirms-super-grand-solar-minimum/

https://www.iceagenow.info/the-handwriting-for-a-super-grand-solar-minimum-is-on-the-wall/

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TomK
Punatic

USA
8631 Posts

Posted - 11/25/2019 :  22:53:33  Show Profile  Visit TomK's Homepage  Reply with Quote
So I'll just throw this one in here that I accidentally read:

"This time around, the myth appears to have been sparked by a Sky News interview with Northumbria University mathematics professor Valentina Zharkova. The story was quickly echoed by the Daily Mail, International Business Times, Sputnik News, Metro, Tru News, and others. Zharkova was also behind the ‘mini ice age’ stories in 2015, based on her research predicting that the sun will soon enter a quiet phase.

The most important takeaway point is that the scientific research is clear – were one to occur, a grand solar minimum would temporarily reduce global temperatures by less than 0.3°C, while humans are already causing 0.2°C warming per decade.
"

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2018/jan/09/the-imminent-mini-ice-age-myth-is-back-and-its-still-wrong

And then just say I'm not sure this is particularly relevant to Puna politics.
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Old Croc
Da Kine

221 Posts

Posted - 11/26/2019 :  12:53:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I agree about the relevancy. It seems to be tied to Hawaii politicians' dedication to climate change theory.

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TomK
Punatic

USA
8631 Posts

Posted - 11/28/2019 :  00:29:11  Show Profile  Visit TomK's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I'm taking my reading glasses off, holding my head in my hand and closing my eyes.
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
Punatic

South Sandwich Islands
8528 Posts

Posted - 12/01/2019 :  10:07:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hawaii politicians' dedication to climate change theory

Unfortunately, it's the CO2 emitters who have a catastrophic dedication to their cause. Half of human generated global CO2 emissions happened before 1988, the other half since 1988.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIdv_cCUwAIpxv2?format=png&name=small
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TomK
Punatic

USA
8631 Posts

Posted - 12/02/2019 :  23:13:34  Show Profile  Visit TomK's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Bringing this back to Hawaii, Honolulu Civil Beat posted an interesting article on the scientists and technicians working up on Mauna Loa and monitoring our atmosphere:

https://www.civilbeat.org/2019/12/theyve-watched-our-climate-changing-for-decades-from-high-atop-mauna-loa/?mobile=1

"“It’s critically important to have these accurate, long-term measurements of CO2 in order to understand how quickly fossil fuel pollution is changing our climate,” Pieter Tans, senior scientist with NOAA’s Global Monitoring Division, said in a statement this summer after the new record was set.

“These are measurements of the real atmosphere,” he said. “They do not depend on any models, but they help us verify climate model projections, which if anything, have underestimated the rapid pace of climate change being observed.”
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kander
Da Kine

USA
274 Posts

Posted - 12/06/2019 :  14:06:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge

[i]Half of human generated global CO2 emissions happened before 1988, the other half since 1988.



If human activity is the major cause of climate change, then the question becomes what is the solution?
The society is highly dependent on cheap energy to sustain itself. There is no magical solution or technology even on the distant horizon that can safely replace the portability and energy per volume that fossil fuel provides. Solar energy; and this includes wind, photovoltaic, hydro based. Can only replace so much of the energy used. Your already seeing saturation in PV here in Hawaii where the electric company cannot handle all of it. Battery banks could be used but, there is the up front and ongoing costs of putting those in both in CO2 expenditure and money.

It is well known that plug in electric cars and the CO2 footprint to build them from mine to dealership exceeds the co2 output of a 40mpg car and the fuel it would burn over their usable lifetime. This is because mining things like Lithium, Aluminum and copper used takes a lot of energy, cheap energy. Ever seen a bulldozer run off an extension cord? Aluminum smelting is incredibly energy intensive. Let alone there isn't enough known lithium deposits to supply all the batteries needed.

Now we could start putting up nuclear plants everywhere. Also quite expensive and not very popular with very many people. Nuclear could provide a solid stop gap between now and whenever if ever fusion power plants could be built and made to operate reliably. How many people are upset about ormat building a geothermal plant? How about reactor number #1 going online down by Pohoiki sometime in the near future?
Ahh, NIMBY...

So many people get on board with climate change as though there was a solution. Or that somehow we have technology that will recapture co2 as cheaply as it was released in energy. Somehow we have a magical butterfly net to capture all that CO2 and pump it back down in some abandoned well in Oklahoma is laughable. The only thing that seems to work with any effective result is the Earth itself, and its natural ability to sequester CO2, but that takes time. How much time do we have? Some say 12 years, Some say its too late, some say we have nothing to worry about.

albeit I have just touched on a few of the hundreds of not thousands of issues dealing with co2 and energy. It brings me to some summary observations and conclusions on the direction where this is heading.

Lets take food production. From the field to the dinner table takes a lot of steps. each step is pretty energy intensive. From plowing, planting, irrigation, harvesting, transportation, etc. A lot of people think that groceries come from the store. They have zero idea what it took to get it there. Cheap portable energy provided by fossil fuels.
You have policies being driven to not only encourage people to live in urban areas, but also policies being made to prevent people from growing their own food. (not that many know how to do that anyway)
A strong movement to remove fossil fuels at any cost, and that cost will result in what has been called as a final solution. A rapid, reduction of population. Because the only way to decarbonize is to reduce how many people are using the resources. Through policy this can be obtained, War is the other. The last would be railroad cars.

This is how these things turn out. They sound good to start, but eventually someone starts handing out the little polystyrene cups with purple punch for everyone to drink. Everyone knows climate change, Climate change dangers, co2 bad, and the world is going to end. But as a result, everyone forgot how to recognize they live in Jones Town.
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Rob Tucker
Kama'aina

9909 Posts

Posted - 12/06/2019 :  17:39:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here's a simple experiment you can try at home to gain some understanding of a changing climate.


Go into your garage. Close the doors and windows. Start up the car. Hang out a while. See what happens.

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kander
Da Kine

USA
274 Posts

Posted - 12/06/2019 :  20:00:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Maybe people can be bunch together in rooms so that the exhaust is used more efficiently? Would they be chosen by lottery, IQ, Age or some other metric?
If its as dire as you say, the depopulation plan should start right away.
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ElysianWort
Punatic

USA
1726 Posts

Posted - 12/07/2019 :  08:19:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rob Tucker

Here's a simple experiment you can try at home to gain some understanding of a changing climate.


Go into your garage. Close the doors and windows. Start up the car. Hang out a while. See what happens.






Wow Rob that is some extremely dark humor
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Rob Tucker
Kama'aina

9909 Posts

Posted - 12/07/2019 :  08:35:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It was not intended as humor.
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