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HereOnThePrimalEdge
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South Sandwich Islands
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Posted - 08/10/2019 :  19:02:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
... protestors... law enforcement... government... OHA...

We did it! Without science! Our own perpetual motion apparatus!
Constantly in motion, accomplishing nothing.
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Frank
Kamaaina

999 Posts

Posted - 08/10/2019 :  19:16:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ironyak

OHA isn't broke (unless you mean broken) but their extensive financial issues are of their own creation. Why do you think there are State audits and Federal investigations being done?
https://www.hawaiibusiness.com/whats-next-for-oha/

kalakoa already answered kirt's question - protestors create a situation, friends and family in law enforcement get paid overtime to "respond", other friends & family in government get to use the situation to justify additional revenue and hires, OHA takes state money and help fuel the situation. Why would any of the groups involved want to find a resolution? (the money is all coming from someone else)



excuse me...Oha has state funding to the tune of $50 million for 2019, no where near the money required to meet their mandate given todays costs and Oha is mismanaged. imho...why ??, we as a county blow money hand over fist (overtime pay for police at tmt?? What?
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jrw
Da Kine

USA
497 Posts

Posted - 08/10/2019 :  20:00:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Frank Oha so under funded how can they give money to illegal protest on the mountain is that part of their mandate. My understanding the state is picking up the overtime cost but I agree what a waste of money.

jrw

Edited by - jrw on 08/10/2019 20:23:16
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TomK
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USA
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Posted - 08/10/2019 :  20:07:51  Show Profile  Visit TomK's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Just so there's no ambiguity:

"OHA approves resolution to advocate for health, safety of protectors"

"The Office of Hawaiian Affairs is asking Governor David Ige to rescind his emergency proclamation for Mauna Kea. All nine trustees unanimously voted Thursday to approve a resolution that supports a proclamation retraction and allows OHA to advocate for the health and well being of demonstrators.
That includes releasing funds to provide supplies for protectors at the base of the summit.
"

https://www.kitv.com/story/40838984/oha-approves-resolution-to-fund-supplies-for-demonstrators-at-mauna-kea
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knieft
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Posted - 08/10/2019 :  20:23:55  Show Profile  Visit knieft's Homepage  Reply with Quote
"When we let that go where are we going to be as Hawaiians? Where is our identity? Is it in a telescope? Not for me," said Kumu Hula Mapuana de Silva.

===

Perhaps it is not in a telescope?

Even reason can not defeat reason.

Cheers,
Kirt
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ironyak
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USA
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Posted - 08/10/2019 :  20:50:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
@Frank - what exactly is OHA's mandate and the calculated costs required to achieve it?

They aren't being investigated for a lack of funding but for corruption and malfeasance. Surely you are not suggesting even more public money should be poured into their coffers?

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knieft
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Posted - 08/10/2019 :  20:55:41  Show Profile  Visit knieft's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by knieft

"When we let that go where are we going to be as Hawaiians? Where is our identity? Is it in a telescope? Not for me," said Kumu Hula Mapuana de Silva.

===

Perhaps it is not in a telescope?

Even reason can not defeat unreason.

Cheers,
Kirt

Unreason.

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kalakoa
Motormouth

12431 Posts

Posted - 08/10/2019 :  21:43:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
(the money is all coming from someone else)

We are that someone else.
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dan d
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USA
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Posted - 08/11/2019 :  05:24:09  Show Profile  Visit dan d's Homepage  Reply with Quote
So they are being funded by oha to the tune of thousands of dollars a day , and tmt cant even give me gas money. Thats why i cant go and wave my signs any moe. Was costing me 60d a week ,and we cant afford it, im disabled and wife lost job du to no grant.
Aloha


HPP
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Frank
Kamaaina

999 Posts

Posted - 08/11/2019 :  08:15:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ironyak

@Frank - what exactly is OHA's mandate and the calculated costs required to achieve it?

They aren't being investigated for a lack of funding but for corruption and malfeasance. Surely you are not suggesting even more public money should be poured into their coffers?





No, I'm not suggesting even more money pour into Oha...to the contrary, I'm suggesting, given their mandate (see below) there would be No money left to fund the protectors if the State did not allow it... plus the amount $50 million in 2019 was something on the average of $2-5 million per year up until 2010...where is this horde of cash that OHA has stashed for just such an event as the TMT protest?

below taken from ...https://www.oha.org/about/abouthistory/

n fact, the public nature of these lands predated the creation of OHA by many years. The ceded lands, consisting of crown lands, once property of the Hawaiian monarchy, and of the government lands of the Kingdom of Hawai‘i, totaled 1.8 million acres upon annexation in 1898. Pursuant to the Joint Resolution of Annexation, all of these lands were considered transferred or “ceded” to the United States government “for the benefit of the inhabitants of the Hawaiian Islands.”

Upon statehood in 1959, the federal government returned to the State of Hawai‘i all ceded lands not set aside for its own use. Section 5(f) of the Admission Act, directing the state to hold the lands in trust, listed the following five purposes:

The support of public education
The betterment of the conditions of native Hawaiians as defined in the Hawaiian Homes Commission Act of 1920
The development of farm and home ownership
The making of public improvements
The provision of lands for public use
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
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South Sandwich Islands
8315 Posts

Posted - 08/11/2019 :  08:25:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The provision of lands for public use

The above is from OHA’s mandate.
So why do they fund people who now prevent public use of lands?
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Frank
Kamaaina

999 Posts

Posted - 08/11/2019 :  08:34:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge

The provision of lands for public use

The above is from OHA’s mandate.
So why do they fund people who now prevent public use of lands?



You ask me? Maybe thats all they can afford after admin costs???...they certainly haven't been successful with these...

The support of public education
The betterment of the conditions of native Hawaiians as defined in the Hawaiian Homes Commission Act of 1920
The development of farm and home ownership
The making of public improvements
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kalakoa
Motormouth

12431 Posts

Posted - 08/11/2019 :  09:38:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
https://www.bigislandvideonews.com/2019/08/11/video-mauna-kea-law-enforcement-costs-scrutinized/

The numbers were noted by Kaho'okahi Kanuha, one of the TMT opposition leaders, during a later news conference. "It's been reported through the news outlets that the County of Hawai'i has spent $258,000 dollars on police officers to act as a private security group for these foreign corporations, and these private interests, that go against the will of the people," Kanuha said.

Ironic (for some disgusting value of "ironic") that the protestors are concerned about how much their blockade is costing the taxpayers -- as if they themselves aren't also taxpayers.
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kalakoa
Motormouth

12431 Posts

Posted - 08/11/2019 :  13:13:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2019/08/11/hawaii-news/road-closure-delay-of-tmt-construction-taking-economic-toll-on-big-isle/

The owner of tour firm Mauna Kea Summit Adventures said nine of his 12 employees had to be laid off ...

A 2010 University of Hawaii at Hilo report said these telescopes, which exclude two being decommissioned, cost $70 million a year to operate. That’s $5.8 million a month representing economic contributions that likely are higher today given inflation since 2010.

...the development effort that has already cost $450 million and 11 years overcoming legal challenges and obtaining all regulatory approvals...

As for TMT's $1.4 billion construction cost, most of that involves work to be done outside Hawaii, including the dome enclosure from Canada and the telescope structure from Japan.

TMT spokesman Scott Ishikawa said at least 20% to 30%, or $280 million to $420 million, would be spent in Hawaii -- mostly on the Big Island.

Operating TMT is projected to cost $25.8 million a year, including $13 million for labor based on 140 full-time employees, or $92,857 per worker, UH Hilo said in the project's 2010 environmental impact study.

UH Hilo also said in the report that an instrument development office in Hawaii was planned in conjunction with TMT and expected to manage and coordinate construction of new instruments worth up to $20 million a year.

According to a 2014 University of Hawaii Economic Research Organization report, the astronomy industry spent $88 million locally in 2012 and about 70% of that, or $59 million, was on the Big Island.

Brewbaker said the $88 million figure from 2012 would be about $100 million today with inflation. Losing that contribution would be like losing every coffee and macadamia nut farm in Hawaii in terms of annual crop value.

If you add in other spending either indirectly supported or induced by astronomy in Hawaii, the statewide economic impact was $168 million in 2012, UHERO's report said.
Brewbaker said this indirect and induced spending from high- paying astronomy jobs that support jobs outside astronomy equates to 2.37 times the direct industry output -- meaning the loss would be $20 million and 100 jobs if astronomy ceased on Hawaii island for a month.

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