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randomq
Punatic

USA
1762 Posts

Posted - 04/14/2018 :  19:15:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A few more weeks of fines and we can pay for the county council's raises!
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My 2 cents
Kamaaina

718 Posts

Posted - 04/16/2018 :  14:06:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DTisme

I think the electrical violation was an extension cord. Some article said that at some point.



It would be nice to know for sure what the violation was. My understanding of the codes is that they cover the outlet and everything before that. You should be able to plug anything you want into an outlet. If it overloads, the breaker will trip. If it has a short, the breaker will trip. If the power is being "stolen", that's an issue for the owner of the outlet and law enforcement. I'm just not clear on what jurisdiction the HFD has over extension cords, or what codes are being violated by using them.

Edited by - My 2 cents on 04/16/2018 14:40:04
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Tink
Punatic

USA
1534 Posts

Posted - 04/16/2018 :  14:37:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
HFD has jurisdiction over extension cords. It's in the Fire Code. Solution is to use power strips with appliance plugged into those. The power strips are plugged into the outlet source supplied. They come in lengths up to 6 feet, and are individually circuit protected to eliminate overheating, the main cause for a fire.

Community begins with Aloha
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MarkD
Punatic

1171 Posts

Posted - 04/16/2018 :  15:30:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Anyone know how many vendors were illegally tapping in? Or was it just De La Cruz?

If no-one had actually built anything electrical (illegally), and the offense was only tapping in, inspectors could just order cease and desist. And a fine maybe.

And that's the end of that particular violation. You would think.
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My 2 cents
Kamaaina

718 Posts

Posted - 04/16/2018 :  16:00:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Again, illegally tapping in is owner/law enforcement issue, not HFD or Building Dept. even if it's actually "tapped in" (or wired in) as opposed to plugged in.

I have never seen on any appliance instructions "this appliance must be plugged into a power strip" or anything close. Same with extension cords. I've also never had the extension cord police come down on me for using an extension cord or any appliance without a power strip.

Current code says all outdoor outlets need to be GFI. Old building, probably grandfathered, but GFI outlets are like 10 bucks. GFI would be superior to power strips.

These are easy fixes, so we are obviously missing something. So, back to my original statement: It sure would be nice to what the exact violation was.
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kalakoa
Motormouth

12429 Posts

Posted - 04/16/2018 :  17:50:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
never had the extension cord police come down on me ... sure would be nice to what the exact violation was

HCC 001-01-A: "Don't Piss Them Off". Spot enforcement, variable fine structure.
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MarkD
Punatic

1171 Posts

Posted - 04/16/2018 :  17:54:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Agree with what you say, My 2 cents. But it seems the inspectors (and their cheering squad) have this electrical violation as a prominent complaint.

Just like the fire hazard, which one poster described as very real threat of the tent catching fire and "pouring flames down on the heads of old people and children."
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
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South Sandwich Islands
8305 Posts

Posted - 03/20/2019 :  10:28:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hilo Farmers Market has one of three permits approved. I hope the project moves forward, but Mr. De La Cruz must operate his Market budget like the County budget, if he still needs financing and loans for his open air project after all this time. Highlights from the article.

According to the permit, the pavilions will comprise a “greenhouse-style” steel-framed and open-sided structure over the market at 57 Mamo St.

Nearby, the market’s parking lot will receive a sunshade with a photovoltaic solar array installed on top,* with the energy to be used by an adjacent restaurant.

Assuming, however, the remaining permits are approved, De La Cruz said construction can begin by the summer, adding construction might last anywhere between three and six months.**

The market accrued $212,000 in fines by October.
De La Cruz said he is working closely with the county to determine how to pay the fines, which could be reduced by the county.
While De La Cruz could not divulge specifics of the arrangement...***


https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2019/03/19/hawaii-news/hilo-farmers-market-clear-a-permit-hurdle/

* Although on the previous structure, electric extension cables were deemed dangerous
** Six months for a greenhouse frame and solar panels? I've seen both go up in a matter of days.
*** County permits. County fines. Private "arrangements."
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Rob Tucker
Kama'aina

9836 Posts

Posted - 03/20/2019 :  11:35:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I wonder what fines Neil Erickson accrued with 23 years of permit violations...
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kalakoa
Motormouth

12429 Posts

Posted - 03/20/2019 :  11:45:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
wonder what fines Neil Erickson accrued

Neil has an "understanding", which is far better than mere "arrangements".

In fact, the only reason I'm running for Mayor is that it's the fastest way to get permits issued.
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Chas
Kamaaina

578 Posts

Posted - 03/20/2019 :  11:59:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I only wish you weren't joking... you are right?
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
Punatic

South Sandwich Islands
8305 Posts

Posted - 08/11/2019 :  10:14:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The good news is:
Despite numerous plan changes and permit issues, it appears the Hilo Farmers Market will start construction of a permanent canopy over the produce market Sept. 1.

And now.... the rest of the story. What about those fines?

1) The fines reached $212,000 by Oct. 5. Those fines haven’t been paid, but they were halted

2) if you meet certain benchmarks, the fines would be (cut) in half. He met those benchmarks, so the total came out to $106,000,

3) “Then, for him to get a small business loan, he couldn’t do that with a lien on the property. So we had to suspend $81,000 of that $106,000.

4) So $25,000 is what he would have to pay, no matter what, at the end of the project.”


Sure.

https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2019/08/11/hawaii-news/hilo-farmers-market-to-get-permanent-canopy/
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dan_c
Newbie

USA
31 Posts

Posted - 08/11/2019 :  10:31:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yes, good for the permanent canopy.

Now please certify that all produce and products for sale are grown or made in the State of Hawaii.

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Carey
Punatic

7055 Posts

Posted - 08/11/2019 :  12:31:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dan_c



Now please certify that all produce and products for sale are grown or made in the State of Hawaii.




Dan, for 100% Hawaiian produced, visit the other Sat. Hilo market, the Kinoole St. Market.
For certification, well Hawaii Sate does OFFER that certification, but there is a cost for the certification, that should be passed to the consumer, so if that is what you need, you also should be willing to pay extra for it.

Link:
https://kinoolefarmersmarket.wordpress.com

Edited by - Carey on 08/11/2019 12:32:22
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kalakoa
Motormouth

12429 Posts

Posted - 08/11/2019 :  12:46:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
for 100% Hawaiian produced, visit the other Sat. Hilo market

Tourists can buy the imported crap from the downtown market. That's why it's there.
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