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dan d
Kamaaina

USA
961 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2019 :  07:56:02  Show Profile  Visit dan d's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Wonder who they will appoint to be there new president? Mermaid perhaps


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reni
Kamaaina

627 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2019 :  10:21:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

( not really a board meeting with only 2 persons eh?)
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Dan, State statutes are available on line for all to read

414D-147 Quorum and voting.
(a) "Except as otherwise provided in this chapter, the articles, or the bylaws, a quorum of a board of directors consists of a majority of the directors in office immediately before
a meeting begins.

(attention to the IMMEDIATELY BEFORE)

Craig resigned, making him no longer a board member until re-installed.
( The question of whether he resigned completely or simply for the remaining of his last term is not relevent when it comes to this statute.)
Therefore 3 remaining Board of Directors.


and surely , you have educated yourself on our own HPPOA bylaws.........
.... Article VIII Sec 6 Vacancy

vacancies shall be filled by vote of the majority of the remaining directors, even tho they may not constitute a majority.

What is your legal premise for your position?
and why would the others not participate in filling our Board vacancies?
And how else are we supposed to accomplish this task?

I did not attend this meeting but I heard that there were several who stepped forth to volunteer to serve on the Board who are in favor of professional property management.
(one can only hope)
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Stillwater
Newbie

18 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2019 :  10:53:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
414D-147-quorum and voting
Correct and weather you like it or not quorum of 4 is not 2 pay great attention to The immediately - maybe Reni you should verify when the district representative got sworn in and then voice educationally what is fact- there is no vacancy for that district it is filled by the vote of that district and long gone sworn in and filled by the elected official ...as far as I see the past pretending board meeting did not represent legally from a 6pm meeting changed to a 1:00 pm meeting the day of and no quorum I think not that this would in any shape form or fashion be abiding to the bylaws. Quorum would at the least would be 3.
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kalakoa
Motormouth

12066 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2019 :  12:41:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
How could anyone misinterpret such clear bylaws and statutes?
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Obie
Punatic

USA
3658 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2019 :  13:09:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"I did not attend this meeting but I heard that there were several who stepped forth to volunteer to serve on the Board who are in favor of professional property management."

I still don't understand this ! HPP has a paid manager. That is his profession, hence, professional management.

So you want to hire a manager to manage your manager ?

More money diverted to management isn't going to improve the roads.Having a forensic audit is going to divert maybe $100,000.00 from road repair to accomplish what ? Anyone who has absconded with money is long gone. You can go to civil court and get a judgement but they will never pay.
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reni
Kamaaina

627 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2019 :  19:48:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
question asked..................
"So you want to hire a manager to manage your manager ?"

What we want is professional property management....
...responsible for hiring and firing our employees with our Board's approval per our bylaws. .

When will HPPOA wake up to the fact that Board volunteers are not capable of either comprehending or following the vast applicable laws regarding Employment in the State of Hawaii ? Professional Property Management firms are on top of the laws. It's their job.
They guard their clients against law suits because THEY ARE currently informed of changing laws..
So, the cost of a Property Management firm needs to weighed against the cost of mismanagement by volunteers. Quantify the cost. How much have we spent in arbitration? How much have we spent in employee lawsuits? What has this done to the cost of our insurance? What is the cost incurred due to lack of ability of our Board to concentrate on other projects that equally matter? How has this constant bickering affected our ability to secure top notch legal representation?

As far as our current manager goes. I don't know the man but I have read in the papers that he is currently suing at least one of our Board members. Here we go again.
I have no idea of the merit of his accusations. That is for a court to decide.
But do I have my doubts that he can, without prejudice, work with the one or more persons he is currently suing?
Do I think that this situation is in the best interest of our association?

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leo
Da Kine

USA
296 Posts

Posted - 07/11/2019 :  21:40:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dan d

Are u aware that mermaid now holds all the keys to the castle in regards to the Board?
Courious which 4 persons she and her friend appointed yesterday ? Hmm

Find out what happened yesterday at the board meeting( not really a board meeting with only 2 persons eh?)
Facinating
Im sure she will flame me now. Was Leo one of the anointed appointed? He did allways say he wanted to be a board member

We are un deep do now.


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Who's your informant? Best to fire his/her ass. Bunch of hogwash.
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Frank
Kamaaina

858 Posts

Posted - 07/12/2019 :  07:57:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Obie

"I did not attend this meeting but I heard that there were several who stepped forth to volunteer to serve on the Board who are in favor of professional property management."

I still don't understand this ! HPP has a paid manager. That is his profession, hence, professional management.

So you want to hire a manager to manage your manager ?

More money diverted to management isn't going to improve the roads.Having a forensic audit is going to divert maybe $100,000.00 from road repair to accomplish what ? Anyone who has absconded with money is long gone. You can go to civil court and get a judgement but they will never pay.



bold by me...I don't understand either...since when does an employee (hppoa manager) dictate to, ignore and subvert nis/her employer (hppoa bod)??? Professional my butt...FIRE his ass!

eta...to

Edited by - Frank on 07/12/2019 08:01:42
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mermaid53
Punatic

USA
1201 Posts

Posted - 07/12/2019 :  08:40:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Who in the office authorized this?

http://www.hppoa.net/executive-information/board-of-directors/

On 21 June, after the mass exodus of board resignations in which Craig Crelly was a participant, the GM posted Crelly's vacancy for the following term along with all the other board vacancies, encouraging members to submit applications to fill all 6 vacancies. I saved that vacancy post to file. Crelly resigned for both terms.

That vacancy was posted for 11 days until "someone" in the office removed it from the website, and by who's authority? When Crelly resigned, he also gave up his officer seat at that point in time forward, and couldn't be a board member without being sworn in and wasn't an officer legally after he resigned on 19 Jun 2019. Yet "someone" in the office posted that Crelly is an officer and a seated director..... by whose authority?

After the Special Board meeting 9 Jul 2019 and seeing all the rumors from FB (sent to me by members) instigated by former board members and employees, I sent this letter yesterday morning to D1 rep Larry Kawaauhau to which D7 rep and I have not received a response yet. This might help explain where we're at today, even though Crelly resigned on 19 Jun 2019. This DRAMA and CHAOS is a disservice to the Association and the remaining board of directors. There should be accountability for what appears to be a covert action...hence my request to get to the bottom of this rumor.


Aloha Larry,

At the Special Board Meeting on 9 Jul 2019, Kathleen Shaw and Tanya Seaver announced to everyone that the meeting was illegal because we didn't have a quorum. That there currently is a board of 4 because you and Craig Crelly were sworn in and you had a recording secretary present when the swearing in occurred in the office.

Tanya Seaver and Kathleen Shaw are also spreading these "rumors" all over social media.

Will you please confirm whether or not these "rumors" are true or not? D7 nor I have heard anything from you informing the rest of the board that you or Craig Crelly were going to be sworn in, so at this point we are regarding these rumors to be just that, rumors, not fact, until we hear from you.

Please confirm whether you and Craig Crelly were sworn in, when did it occur, who was present and where did it occur?

Mahalo,

D5

Edited by - mermaid53 on 07/12/2019 08:43:08
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kalakoa
Motormouth

12066 Posts

Posted - 07/12/2019 :  09:01:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There should be accountability

Also a tooth fairy, and Santa Claus, and County taking over all the "privately owned" roads.
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Frank
Kamaaina

858 Posts

Posted - 07/12/2019 :  09:13:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mermaid53

Who in the office authorized this?

http://www.hppoa.net/executive-information/board-of-directors/

On 21 June, after the mass exodus of board resignations in which Craig Crelly was a participant, the GM posted Crelly's vacancy for the following term along with all the other board vacancies, encouraging members to submit applications to fill all 6 vacancies. I saved that vacancy post to file. Crelly resigned for both terms.

That vacancy was posted for 11 days until "someone" in the office removed it from the website, and by who's authority? When Crelly resigned, he also gave up his officer seat at that point in time forward, and couldn't be a board member without being sworn in and wasn't an officer legally after he resigned on 19 Jun 2019. Yet "someone" in the office posted that Crelly is an officer and a seated director..... by whose authority?

After the Special Board meeting 9 Jul 2019 and seeing all the rumors from FB (sent to me by members) instigated by former board members and employees, I sent this letter yesterday morning to D1 rep Larry Kawaauhau to which D7 rep and I have not received a response yet. This might help explain where we're at today, even though Crelly resigned on 19 Jun 2019. This DRAMA and CHAOS is a disservice to the Association and the remaining board of directors. There should be accountability for what appears to be a covert action...hence my request to get to the bottom of this rumor.


Aloha Larry,

At the Special Board Meeting on 9 Jul 2019, Kathleen Shaw and Tanya Seaver announced to everyone that the meeting was illegal because we didn't have a quorum. That there currently is a board of 4 because you and Craig Crelly were sworn in and you had a recording secretary present when the swearing in occurred in the office.

Tanya Seaver and Kathleen Shaw are also spreading these "rumors" all over social media.

Will you please confirm whether or not these "rumors" are true or not? D7 nor I have heard anything from you informing the rest of the board that you or Craig Crelly were going to be sworn in, so at this point we are regarding these rumors to be just that, rumors, not fact, until we hear from you.

Please confirm whether you and Craig Crelly were sworn in, when did it occur, who was present and where did it occur?

Mahalo,

D5



Confirmation in Writing, along with copies of attendant paperwork generated by this action is a MUST...Mahalo D5
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Stillwater
Newbie

18 Posts

Posted - 07/12/2019 :  10:38:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mermaid, when the district 6 director resigned his/her current position there was a short time frame for that seat before the elected position went into effect by all means for fairness this should be categorized a vacant seat. Youíre drowning mermaid decide fish or man. If by chance these ďrumorsĒ are proven to be fact hope you have another straw to grasp.

Edited by - Stillwater on 07/12/2019 11:08:06
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Katarina
Da Kine

170 Posts

Posted - 07/12/2019 :  13:36:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So basically we now have 2 boards. 2 separate boards. There is no way that Larry or Crelly could be sworn in legitimately.. So who did it because their terms ended. They were finished. They can't swear each other in. Their terms and positions did not carry over because they were reelected. People.... think. This is insanity and you know what? You can call names and cause trouble all day long 24/7 and what did you accomplish? Nothing... Surely nothing for the benefit of all HPP. The ones causing havoc really are shameless and must get some kind of thrill out of it.... hurting the association and all the members. One if my best friends has told me that Orchidland just won. The legit board anyway. I think someone needs to contact the people that made this happen because a couple here and there can not do it on their own. It sounded so complicated. No shame in getting help. HPP deserves it. The real HPP that is.
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Stillwater
Newbie

18 Posts

Posted - 07/12/2019 :  15:02:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
??How can anyone even begin to believe HPP has two boards 1 board 1 set of bylaws just have to follow them.. a director canít be sworn in by a director they must be sworn in by the secretary or recording secretary there is no secretary only a president that is still active, never resigned, sworn in and will hold the position until the board elects to replace (yep thatís in the bylaws ask mermaid) My understanding of this past get together mermaid was attending the other director present attempted the swearing in of property owners none of which read the oath only said their names the Director read the oath????WTH???? The board legally has 4 directors 2 of which are acting on their own having a meeting and illegally establishing quorum as 2 it is 3 no matter how you stretch your imagination or donít like the truth. Itís up to everyone to like or not like someone but if the district reps you speak of have followed the bylaws and the others have not then the actions they are taking on their own without board approval itís absurd to make any assumption there are 2 boards...there are just 2 directors doing exactly what they have been doing acting on their own which is grounds for removal!! Orchidland did win but HPP has policyís and procedures in place so nope sorry donít think anyone that shouldnít be will be accessing the bank funds like Orchidland..
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kalakoa
Motormouth

12066 Posts

Posted - 07/12/2019 :  15:11:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
1 board 1 set of bylaws just have to follow them

Good one.
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