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ericlp
Punatic

China
2763 Posts

Posted - 07/28/2018 :  07:48:50  Show Profile  Visit ericlp's Homepage
I saw on FB, that someone saved a bunch of feral cats... I'd rather see them get the marine life (endangered) then some cats.

I guess if the cats can be saved, than why not some of the marine life? Could go in with boats, but I believe the cats were transported with helicopters, I kinda wonder who paid for that. Also, looked like some of them had fire ant damage to the eyes. But, I guess on a good note, the lava has probably killed billions of fire ants... :)
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Ashley
Newbie

38 Posts

Posted - 07/28/2018 :  10:39:59  Show Profile
Did anyone read how DLNR suggested Kapoho residents should have saved the turtles?
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ironyak
Punatic

USA
2791 Posts

Posted - 07/28/2018 :  11:03:24  Show Profile
Ryan was responding to this reply posted by Dan Dennison (DLNR Sr. Communications Mgr., (808) 587-0407, (c) (808) 295-8749)

https://www.facebook.com/HawaiiDLNR/posts/2065406176833946
The lava flow pictured in the video covered Kapoho Bay June 3, nearly two months ago. There are no active flows over ponds now.
- Champagne Ponds and the other small ponds along Kapoho Bay were on private property. Apparently some residents and vacation home owners kept turtles in their ponds, and may not have removed them in advance of the lava flow.
- DLNR has received no actual reports of trapped turtles, either before that flow or afterward, to act on. DLNR had one report of a dead turtle in the water after Kapoho Bay was covered.
- DLNR has undertaken three reconnaissance missions in the last two weeks to check for any possible trapped turtles. None have been found.
- As people charged with the mission of protecting Hawaii’s natural resources we share everyone’s concerns and sadness over the loss of turtles and other aquatic and terrestrial wildlife. The eruption is obviously powerful and dangerous to both humans and wildlife.
- Anyone who sees turtles or other animals trapped by lava (outside the restricted disaster zone) is encouraged to report it immediately to NOAAs turtle stranding hotline at 1-888-256-9840 and to the DLNR hotline at 643-DLNR.


Emphasis mine. Several people also noted that had contacted DNLR is advance of the lava reaching Pohoiki to see what could be done to save wildlife there, but DNLR did not follow up with them.
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kalakoa
Motormouth

11271 Posts

Posted - 07/28/2018 :  11:04:50  Show Profile
if the cats can be saved, than why not some of the marine life?

O the irony: feral cats aren't "protected wildlife".

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HereOnThePrimalEdge
Punatic

South Sandwich Islands
6874 Posts

Posted - 07/28/2018 :  11:14:12  Show Profile
Anyone who sees turtles or other animals trapped by lava (outside the restricted disaster zone) is encouraged to report it immediately to NOAAs turtle stranding hotline

If the turtles are in an area (outside the restricted disaster zone) so we can see & report them to the DLNR, wouldn’t the turtles also be safely outside the restricted zone and unlikely to be trapped by hot, flowing lava?

“Generalized intelligence and mental alertness are the most powerful enemies of dictatorship and at the same time the basic conditions of effective democracy.” - Aldous Huxley

Edited by - HereOnThePrimalEdge on 07/28/2018 16:02:32
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kalakoa
Motormouth

11271 Posts

Posted - 07/28/2018 :  15:07:29  Show Profile
Anyone who sees turtles or other animals trapped by lava

But ... but ... nobody's allowed near the lava because "too dangerous"?

Report a turtle ... get a ticket.
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rainyjim
Punatic

1980 Posts

Posted - 07/28/2018 :  17:26:44  Show Profile
I see the trend!!!

All the rules, regulations, laws etc are so the state/county employees don’t actually have to do anything!
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kalakoa
Motormouth

11271 Posts

Posted - 07/29/2018 :  08:03:08  Show Profile
rules, regulations, laws etc are so the state/county employees don’t actually have to do anything!

Correct: "doing something" Is fraught with peril: decision, responsibility, liability, lawsuits because something was done (or not done).

Extensive regulation also creates lots of employment opportunities: licensed trades, compliance auditors, more lawyers, additional staff, certification...

Eventually, you lose sight of the original problem.
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HereOnThePrimalEdge
Punatic

South Sandwich Islands
6874 Posts

Posted - 07/29/2018 :  10:59:35  Show Profile
Pilgrim: there is still time to save the endangered endemic anchialine shrimp
...
JimHAPuna: Not as cute as turtles maybe but still worth saving


I looked into this a little, and although the Opae ula shrimp are rare and mostly found only around the Big Island, they are allowed to be harvested by commercial aquarium fish collectors, and fisherman who use them as bait. In other words, not as protected as turtles.

If the Pohoiki Opae ula were rounded up and rescued, then transfered to another pool on Kona side, there's a very good chance they'd be recaptured and shipped to the mainland for the aquarium trade, or simply used as bait.

There are protected pools within the borders of Volcanoes National Park, but that might be difficult considering the restricted access at this time. Does anyone else have another view?

“Generalized intelligence and mental alertness are the most powerful enemies of dictatorship and at the same time the basic conditions of effective democracy.” - Aldous Huxley
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Pilgrim
Da Kine

221 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2018 :  10:33:42  Show Profile
HOTPE- I'm pretty sure that they are protected in the pools within Honokohau National Monument and I think also on Kamehameha Schools land near Makalawena. I read somewhere that they were used as bait in old Hawai'i to attract a certain kind of fish but they're so small that their use for that is pretty limited. As for aquarium collectors - that's a bummer. Last time I was over by Makalawena I saw pools that were red with them. To me it's amazing they can live so long. It's been a while since I visited that warm pool by Pohoiki but last time I went there were a ton in there.
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Obie
Punatic

USA
3285 Posts

Posted - 07/30/2018 :  13:50:55  Show Profile
Since this train wreck has been off the rails for quite a while. I would like to propose that we stretch a giant net across the Pacific Ocean to prevent the whales from getting too near the lava.
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dan d
Kamaaina

USA
611 Posts

Posted - 07/31/2018 :  08:03:49  Show Profile  Visit dan d's Homepage
First of all right now there are no collecting of any kind of aquarium critters kona side.

Dan D
HPP
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Ashley
Newbie

38 Posts

Posted - 08/05/2018 :  00:31:19  Show Profile
There might be 3 houses left on Ililani rd.One of the owners commented on the cituation.Anyone can see the page but you need to have FB account to see the comments.


https://m.facebook.com/groups/357455554420269?view=permalink&id=1050534438445707&anchor_composer=false

Edited by - Ashley on 08/05/2018 00:36:50
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Alex
Da Kine

364 Posts

Posted - 08/07/2018 :  22:34:35  Show Profile
Interesting fact from Dane DuPont nigtly update about reactivation of portion of ocean entry near Vacationland:

https://m.facebook.com/groups/357455554420269?view=permalink&id=1058368337662317&_ft_=top_level_post_id.1058368337662317%3Aphoto_attachments_list.%5B199662520902897%2C199647534237729%2C199621080907041%2C199621157573700%2C199644734238009%5D&refid=18&ref=group_header&__tn__=%2C%3B
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Alex
Da Kine

364 Posts

Posted - 08/10/2018 :  08:15:28  Show Profile
The above mentioned entry is growing.
Latest from Dane:

https://m.facebook.com/groups/357455554420269?view=permalink&id=1060611790771305&_ft_=top_level_post_id.1060611790771305%3Aphoto_attachments_list.%5B201722610696888%2C201722930696856%2C201760850693064%2C201710484031434%2C201723174030165%5D&refid=18&ref=group_header&__tn__=%2C%3B#_=_
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