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Hawaiian Recognition. - 2liveque - 07-03-2014
Pay attention folks. There are some key things happening in this great land right now. One can't deny that Hawaii was stolen. There is just too much evidence to oppose that claim. Don't get too wrapped up in the testimony, angry news clips, and fiery videos. Remove your emotions from this very emotional topic and study the history, laws, and real issues at play.
At that point I ask........What say you?
RE: Hawaiian Recognition. - fishenjim - 07-03-2014
No Doubt 2 live, Nothing but land stealing and destruction since 1492 when the native americans saw those first tall ships. One could argue though that the hawaiin's had their land stolen and were able to maintain a little more dignity than the mainland natives. So many times the great white father tricked,lied and went back on his word. The true american hero's are Crazy Horse, Chief Joseph, Cochise and Sitting Bull. IMO. I am sure that the native hawaiin's have many great hero's as well and I cant wait to learn their story's as well as I know the Nez Perce, Apaches and Sioux.
RE: Hawaiian Recognition. - Chunkster - 07-03-2014
What frequently gets conveniently left out of the discussion of this topic is the fact that the Kingdom of Hawaii had multi-ethnic citizens long before the overthrow. By some accounts, Hawaiians were already a minority by that time. So if Hawaiians don't want to be dealt with the same as modern Native American tribes, they will need to justify excluding the descendants of the non-Hawaiian citizens of the Kingdom in their restored entity, whatever it might be. FWIW, I agree that the overthrow was illegal.
RE: Hawaiian Recognition. - csgray - 07-03-2014
Chunkster,
Prof. John Osario was interviewed by Hawaii Public radio yesterday and he made the point that the Hawaiian kingdom was a multi ethnic nation, and that the current process going on is objectionable to many supporters of Restoration of the Hawaiian Kingdom (including him) because it would create a tribal government based on having ancestors who were in Hawaii before Cook arrived, instead of a sovereign national government that could include people of any nationality. The two are very different political animals.
Carol
RE: Hawaiian Recognition. - Seeb - 07-03-2014
So what is a realistic outcome
RE: Hawaiian Recognition. - opihikao - 07-04-2014
We may be witnessing history being made on some level. We cannot discount the emotional testimony of many, many Hawaiians who have done their homework, believe that the Kingdom of Hawaii does still exist, and want reparation from the United States for the illegal overthrow.
The Dept. of Interior coming to Hawai'i has awakened our people to come together perhaps for the first time. No matter the differences, 99.9% are saying a resounding "NO" to becoming a "tribe". Why are they here now? The documents provided (which are on line at DOI) clearly show the intent of the United States.
Many Hawaiians, including myself, believe that the "occupier" will never give Hawai'i equal status as a nation. Further, the apology signed by Clinton, and reiterated by the DOJ representative, clearly states the overthrown was indeed illegal. How can we, as Hawaiians, expect the USA to "make things right"? What is fair reparation? Difficult questions arise during this process.
Kamana'o Crabbe's (OHA's CEO) letter to John Kerry was the catalyst to this move by the USA. However, none of his valid questions were answered to date. Instead, after many years, now these DOI meetings take place with an agenda. Why now?
After the Hawai'i meetings, the DOI will be traveling to Native Americans to discuss our Hawaiian issues. With all due respect to our Native American brothers and sisters, why? We are not Indians, and we all see how the US dealt with the Indians.
Also agree with the point made by Prof. Osorio re: multi ethnic nation. Most of us (Hawaiians) are issues of Hawaiian combined with English, Chinese, Japanese, Portuguese, etc., who were also part of the Kingdom of Hawai'i.
Kanaiolowalu (the newest "registry") is a farce, and does not represent the majority. Former Gov. Waihee has his own agenda, which will not provide "justice" to the Hawaiian people. After spending over $50 million dollars to register Hawaiians in various ways, it has failed miserably at great expense.
The question now is where do we go from here? If this is not handled in a most respectful, fair, and reasonable manner, we may see a revolution.
Personally, the word "native" does not apply to me. I am a Hawaiian. Kanaka maoli.
JMO.
RE: Hawaiian Recognition. - 2liveque - 07-04-2014
So of the droves of Kanaka who have been testifying a resounding "a'ole" at these hearings, just how man of them also find themselves on the Kanaioluwalu and Kau Inoa rolls? Granted, there are very complex issues at play, but can you actually put your name on a state-sanctioned roll and still say A'ole!? Just curious.
RE: Hawaiian Recognition. - opihikao - 07-04-2014
quote:Some of us are on Kanaioluwalu without consent. The list was comprised of several previous lists (ie. Kau Inoa, etc.) and the "threat" was made by Kanaioluwalu if you don't sign up by May 1, 2014, you and your children and your grandchildren, and all generations thereafter, are NOT Hawaiian. WTH?
Originally posted by 2liveque
So of the droves of Kanaka who have been testifying a resounding "a'ole" at these hearings, just how man of them also find themselves on the Kanaioluwalu and Kau Inoa rolls? Granted, there are very complex issues at play, but can you actually put your name on a state-sanctioned roll and still say A'ole!? Just curious.
To answer your question, in my opinion, yes, you can sign up and still say "NO" to the present DOI questionnaire.
The Kanaiolowalu constitutional convention is scheduled for September of this year, if not delayed by the uproar that we are seeing (ie. OHA's participation cannot be "unbiased" as they are a State agency, the Federal recognition making us a "tribe", etc.)
The basis for the questions asked by the DOI, is "Hawaiian Recognition" by the US Federal Government. In essence, as I understand it, once we are given (and agree to) "Recognition", Hawaiians sign away their rights forever, and become "recognized" as a "tribe" under the US Federal law. Therein lies the rub. Also adds to many Hawaiians taking their name OFF Kanaiolowalu for that very reason. That was not the deal when people signed up for Kau Inoa nor Kanaiolowalu.
JMO.
RE: Hawaiian Recognition. - Chunkster - 07-04-2014
Is there a registry for descendants of citizens of the Kingdom of Hawaii who have no Native Hawaiian ancestors? I'm sure there must be persons of Caucasian, Japanese, Filipino, Chinese, and mixed/other backgrounds living today whose forebears were full citizens of the Kingdom, but not Hawaiian. It would seem that any restoration of Kingdom sovereignty would have to include them to have any legitimacy. I'm not trying to be a troll here, but sincerely think this subject gets overlooked and could be crucial as this process unfolds.
RE: Hawaiian Recognition. - opihikao - 07-04-2014
In short, Chunkster, no. That's part of the problem.
Roll commissions were meant for Hawaiians ("verified" having bloodline) only to continue pursuing "federal recognition". Now we know, as a "tribe".
Some of us are adamant that ALL descendants of the Hawaiian Kingdom be allowed to be part of this "list", no matter their race. And further, why not give all the opportunity to be part of our Hawai'i, as a Nation/Kingdom? Some will vehemently disagree with this statement, however, this is part of the process we are seeing unfold today.
JMO.