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Ford, Ruderman: More precincts need redo - dakine - 08-12-2014
From today's Trib...
Elected officials at the state and county level are crying foul over the selection of only two Puna precincts for a special election, when many voters in precincts from Pahoa to Volcano were unable to get to the polls Saturday in the aftermath of Tropical Storm Iselle....
http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/local-news/ford-ruderman-more-precincts-need-redo
RE: Ford, Ruderman: More precincts need redo - Opihikaobob - 08-12-2014
We should expect more rearrangement to accommodate all voters.
Go Hannabusa & Go Paleka [
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RE: Ford, Ruderman: More precincts need redo - HiloPuna - 08-12-2014
"An analysis of Election Day precinct turnout shows an 11.5 percent turnout at Keaau High School, a 12 percent turnout at Pahaoa Community Center and a 12.3 percent turnout at Pahoa High and Intermediate School. Mountain View Elementary School had a 14.3 percent turnout and Cooper Center in Volcano had a 20.9 percent turnout, according to data compiled by the state Office of Elections.
In comparison, Hawaii County’s overall Election Day turnout was 14.2 percent, and the statewide average was 18 percent."
The statistics don't support the contentions made by the two "crying foul". The turnout was abysmal, statewide. The turnouts in Puna were not unique, my unaffected Hilo voting station, sunny skies and no lines, had a 14% turnout. I checked a nearby precinct, one noted for high turnouts, and it was 10% !!!! It shows the affect of mail in balloting on day-of-election turnouts.
The two closed voting stations are a significant issue, but expanding the solution to that problem by including other precincts won't, and shouldn't, happen.
In an additional contrast to Opihikaobob, I'll Go: Schatz, Paleka, and SBV...
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RE: Ford, Ruderman: More precincts need redo - missydog1 - 08-12-2014
Agree, HiloPuna. Hawaii in General has terrible voter turnout for primary elections, especially in non-presidential years.
Opening up more redo opps for precincts that did open their polling places will also skew results. People will vote who had no real interest in voting -- because now they know the stakes and they know where the totals stand going in.
It is unfair to the people who voted their choices with no clear knowledge of who was ahead and by how much. To me that is far more risky for creating a tainted election.
I'm sure there were many Hamakua residents who couldn't get to the polls Saturday, all of whom could affect the senatorial race. And in Ka'u, and in parts of Hilo. Open this can of worms at all then open it for all who were affected.
Ed to fix typos from phone typing.
RE: Ford, Ruderman: More precincts need redo - Anxious Messiah - 08-12-2014
So, those who had no possible way of voting due to an "act of god" should not be given the opportunity to vote as mandated by our Constitution and allowed for under State law? Is that really what you are saying Hilo and Kathy? Seriously?
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RE: Ford, Ruderman: More precincts need redo - HiloPuna - 08-12-2014
Yes, seriously, I am. Think about it and how this might "scale", in either direction.
Your right to vote is mandated, you are not mandated to vote. The recent "act of God" could be replaced by, "I was in an accident, not my fault, and that's why I couldn't (didn't) vote. Give me another chance".
As Kathy points out, when there are potentialities(e.g. outcomes of election) that are decided/affected by externalities(voters decisions) in the interest of fairness one participant should not have more information available than another participant. Everyone voting after this election are in an unfair position (also to the candidates)
RE: Ford, Ruderman: More precincts need redo - missydog1 - 08-12-2014
Yes, exactly, there are many scenarios where a person who chooses not to vote in advance may end up with no possible way to vote on the day of. You could end up in the ER all day. You could be in a car accident. It could rain torrents and wash out your road. Your kid might be sick and you unable to leave the kid. A tree could fall on your road so that you can't get out. If any of those things happened to you, and it was not a hurricane, would you not agree that you would have missed your opportunity, even though it was not your fault?
That's why people vote in advance, to ensure that something won't pop up that makes voting impossible. That's why the option to vote early is there. The early voting extension was announced prior to the storm, when everyone had power and media and the ability to foresee that voting Saturday might be difficult.
The only people who must get a second chance are those whose polling places were closed. The rest are just those who didn't prioritIze voting with a storm coming who blew their chance.
RE: Ford, Ruderman: More precincts need redo - Anxious Messiah - 08-13-2014
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Originally posted by HiloPuna
The recent "act of God" could be replaced by, "I was in an accident, not my fault, and that's why I couldn't (didn't) vote. Give me another chance".
LOL, this is the story you want to go with? Really?
Comparing a Hurricane, which the whole effin world knows about and can verify, to a lame azz story of a supposed car wreck?
Classic!
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RE: Ford, Ruderman: More precincts need redo - Mendo - 08-13-2014
Statewide the turnout was 40%, and in the past Puna/Hilo have been typical in the turnout. This shows impacts of the storm on turnout; not just in Puna, but mostly in Puna.
KathyH & Hilopuna - Do you think you can find a heart somewhere?
And until then, please stay out of Puna if this is your attitude toward us. We are sick of being dumped on by your likes.
RE: Ford, Ruderman: More precincts need redo - David M - 08-13-2014
Keep in mind, the current situation favors their boy.
David
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