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Permits denied becuase of lava threat - ironyak - 03-17-2015
I was talking to someone about a construction project and they said the county was blocking their permits because of the possible threat of lava. This project is in the south end of Pahoa and seems very unlikely to see any lava soon given both the descent paths and the flow activity trending to the north.
Has anyone else run into this permit problem for projects in Pahoa or Beaches / Shores? Trying to figure out if it's actual policy or a selective excuse (which seems to be policy).
RE: Permits denied becuase of lava threat - pbmaise - 03-17-2015
Ironyak can you document more in case anyone wants to cite it as a claim against Title insurance since it shows their own property title may be unmarketable?
RE: Permits denied becuase of lava threat - Seeb - 03-17-2015
The area is still in a declared emergency
RE: Permits denied becuase of lava threat - kalakoa - 03-17-2015
I believe County has done this before, in Kalapana Gardens (and perhaps elsewhere), anyone know for sure?
It also seems that the permits aren't worth the paper they're printed on if the lava actually does flow. Again, of the many homes in Kalapana Gardens, only a very few are permitted...
RE: Permits denied becuase of lava threat - pahoated - 03-17-2015
It only takes looking at an aerial realty map of homes for sale to see the source of all these problems are due to too much development of Puna. There were essentially several large plantation areas that got converted to all these failed developments, now in the hands of buyers that didn't have a clue what they were buying. Then, these buyers set about making plan after plan trying to plan something that never started out planned. The net result is density congestion randomness. The planning never does a realistic assessment in the first place, then keeps trying to shoehorn in a plan from the rear end. It's so interesting to see what the effect of sugar has been on the real estate of this moku' aina. That and the western colonialism idea of giant plantations.
"Aloha also means goodbye. Aloha!"
RE: Permits denied becuase of lava threat - PunaMauka2 - 03-17-2015
basically a continuation of pahoated's mantra. in other words, "argh! those damn white outsiders did it again". so yeah...
RE: Permits denied becuase of lava threat - kalakoa - 03-17-2015
Lest we forget: the subdivisions were created as a giant tax mining operation; as they were not intended for habitation, they lack any useful amenities (sufficient roads, nearby commercial centers, etc).
It's nearly impossible to retrofit for a lack of civic planning.
RE: Permits denied becuase of lava threat - ironyak - 03-17-2015
To clarify, the project is in the south end of Pahoa town, not the subdivisions. I would be interested if anyone knows of permits being blocked in Pahoa town or the wider area (Shores/Beaches, Nanawale, Leilani).
The State of Emergency covers all of Puna, but clearly isn't blocking all permits, such as the many projects in HPP. Several of these are along Maku'u that is on the descent path for the very active norh flank breakouts (as well as the 2007, K1, & K2 flows)
RE: Permits denied becuase of lava threat - Bullwinkle - 03-17-2015
Lack of development is why some of us like the area .... We made a choice to leave the overdeveloped and controlled nanny state. Please allow us our last little piece of paradise as we found it.
"Its an island babe - if you did not bring it - its not here "- grin
RE: Permits denied becuase of lava threat - kalakoa - 03-17-2015
Lack of development is why some of us like the area
Agree. Just wish it were formalized somehow, rather than "allowed to exist" and subject to "fluctuating market conditions" and/or "spot enforcement".