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Guns - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 10-01-2022
Just the facts mam:
Hawaii County Council member Aaron Chung, an attorney who represents portions of South Hilo, said the issue of where people may carry guns in Hawaii is going to have to be taken up by the state Legislature when it convenes in January.
Chung, who plans to introduce a draft measure Tuesday on behalf of Hawaii County police, said he is "very concerned " about the possible public-safety implications of any new gun laws, but the "Supreme Court has ruled and now we have to react to it."
"This issue is going to have to be taken up by the state Legislature. But between that time, until they can enact something that has statewide breadth, it behooves us to put some things in place, " Chung said.
The Hawaii Police Department said it has received 30 concealed-carry applications so far that are being processed. None have been issued, but police "expect that licenses to carry concealed weapons will be approved and issued in the very near future."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/draft-law-bans-firearms-many-160400383.html
RE: Guns - kalianna - 10-01-2022
It's ironic that we'll be able to get a permit for a concealed carry weapon very quickly while building permits languish for months.
RE: Guns - microage97 - 10-01-2022
(10-01-2022, 04:04 AM)kalianna Wrote: It's ironic that we'll be able to get a permit for a concealed carry weapon very quickly while building permits languish for months.Things about to get spicy!
RE: Guns - randomq - 10-01-2022
How about permits only issuing to citizens without any criminal history?
RE: Guns - oink - 10-01-2022
It sounds like officials might get carried away with their gun free zone restrictions like some jurisdictions are doing. Unfortunately those that go too far will likely end up back at SCOTUS where the ability to make State and local restrictions may be seriously curtailed. The smart thing would be to make restrictions that are reasonable and can be fully justified so as to not trigger more SCOTUS intervention.
At this point it doesn't sound like Hawaii County is in any rush to approve CCW permits.
Currently I don't really need a CCW permit due to being a retired LEO but maintaining my certification under "The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act" does require a yearly qualification not required by most State CCW laws. Unfortunately the qualification is good for exactly one year from the last qualifications. It would be much more convenient if it was a more general once per calendar year. Those are National rules as specified by The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act. At least it's good nationwide.
Most if not all State CCW permits are good for multiple years many with no requalification requirement.
Some with no qualification requirement at all. I have no idea what the State of Hawaii is coming up with or if it will continue to be left to the Counties. Some statewide consistency would be nice.
Fortunately the relatively recent implementation of many CCW permit laws in a number of States has not resulted in the great increase of carnage by permit holders that was predicted by some. Hopefully Hawaii will also adapt well and peacefully to CCW permit implementation. It has been my observation that having a CCW permit and legally carrying a firearm generally makes permit holders more responsible and more likely to try to avoid unnecessary confrontations rather than to feel emboldened to engage. Of course there are always a few stupid people that slip through the cracks.
While still actively employed as a LEO in FL I did revoke and return to the State 3 CCW permits held by residents, basically for being stupid. I did send in with the seized permits a good deal of documentation justifying my actions. I never suffered any repercussions from my actions. I actually never heard anything back from the State at all. As far as I know the people never got their permits back but I don't really know. The laws/rules on that procedure were pretty grey (short of a felony arrest or domestic violence) and may still be. I kinda had to figure it out on my own. Hopefully Hawaii will do a little better on that.
(10-01-2022, 05:14 PM)randomq Wrote: How about permits only issuing to citizens without any criminal history?While there may be some variation between the States, you can't get a permit with a felony conviction or domestic violence conviction. Only citizens or legal resident aliens are eligible for CCW permits. So that is pretty well covered already.
RE: Guns - kalakoa - 10-01-2022
get a permit for a concealed carry weapon very quickly while building permits languish
None having been issued, we don't yet know how "quickly".
RE: Guns - 'elepaio - 10-01-2022
Trigger is apropos use of the word Oink up there. : )
Lots of awesome good guy with a gun stories out there. God Bless.
Back the Blue folks and feel blessed you don't live in one of 'those' cities.
RE: Guns - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 10-01-2022
Back the Blue folks
Current and former police officers, all part of a well regulated militia.
Our military bases, with residents comprised of a well regulated militia would also make a good model for gun practice and usage in the population at large.
RE: Guns - terracore - 10-02-2022
(10-01-2022, 04:04 AM)kalianna Wrote: It's ironic that we'll be able to get a permit for a concealed carry weapon very quickly while building permits languish for months.
Unfortunately, our founding fathers never envisioned an administrative state being so restrictive that citizens would have to ask permission from The State to build a structure to live in, so they didn't put that into the Bill of Rights.
They did give us an amendment to empower us to keep that from happening, but their revolutionary, anti-government zeal didn't carry on to future generations. It went the other way. The documents they gave us to protect us from government have been hijacked to allow the government to rule over us. And few people seem to care when the bill of rights is called "dangerous".
RE: Guns - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 10-02-2022
our founding fathers never envisioned an administrative state being so restrictive
“well-regulated” implies administration by some authority.
For instance, the County of Hawaii. Some form of regulation is recommended by the Second Amendment and that is what a member of the county council intends to propose.