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"Out Buildings" - hpp4me - 08-29-2007
I'm not sure this is the right label. I'm talking about a building in the back of a lot that we would use as a warehouse (although it might have to be presented in a different way to the County). It would be perhaps 800 square feet, built on slab. We'd like to have strong insulated walls, good roof, nice lighting and ventilation. It would essentially be like a shell of a house (open inside, no kitchen, no bathroom).
Can this be built in the county? Would would a house-quality building without the frill (just a shell, no plumbing) cost on a square foot basis to build?
RE: "Out Buildings" - Hotzcatz - 08-29-2007
I'd guess you'd call it a "storage building". Depending on how it was built, you could probably go from $30 a square foot to $3,000 a square foot.
RE: "Out Buildings" - missydog1 - 08-29-2007
I think "accessory building" is the term the Building Dept uses as a class of building (warehouse, shop, garage, greenhouse, meditation room, office, etc) that is not "living space" -- on Ag land.
From what I've been told, you can have as many as you like as long as they all are up to code and the setbacks are correct -- but, as soon as you convert it into a space where anyone sleeps, you are nonconforming.
If you really intend to use it as a warehouse, there should be no problem. If it looks like a second house is being built (but not finished) and passed off as an accessory building, then it could be a problem.
Not questioning your desire for a warehouse, but I've seen lots of nonconforming units that started out as storage areas, sheds, garages, warehouses, and were converted after being permitted. So if your warehouse is of too high quality construction for storage alone, I dunno, if I were an inspector I might be suspicious.
Or not, never can tell.
Edited by - KathyH on 08/29/2007 23:19:32
RE: "Out Buildings" - hpp4me - 08-30-2007
It's hard to imagine what a $3k/square foot warehouse would look like! I prefer the $30 figure.
It really would be a warehouse. Another option is to do one of those two-floor garages where the second floor is open space. I've seen those on the island.
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I'd guess you'd call it a "storage building". Depending on how it was built, you could probably go from $30 a square foot to $3,000 a square foot.
RE: "Out Buildings" - Kapohocat - 08-30-2007
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I think "accessory building" is the term the Building Dept uses as a class of building (warehouse, shop, garage, greenhouse, meditation room, office, etc) that is not "living space" -- on Ag land...
Also on the plans, an accessory building that is 50' or more from a SFR is in the grey area between res and com. The building would require plumb and elec permit apps to go with the building permit app (at the same time). Also in addition the regular sign offs you will add the FD sign off.
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Another option is to do one of those two-floor garages where the second floor is open space. I've seen those on the island.
I spoke yesterday with planning about a similar issue and that building may not be able to be over 20'. I suggest you call them at 961-8288 and double check with your TMK # available.
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RE: "Out Buildings" - HADave - 08-30-2007
The biggest bang for your buck, as I see it, might just be the used shipping container or groups there of.
New and used are available, we just made a purchase of what is described as a one tripper, that would be a brand new, used onced and abandoned by the original shipper.
This gives us an unsoiled first rate 5 year certified iso container and for the low low price of 2800.00. Thats a great price for east coast mainland.
I imagine Matson"s/Youngs has plenty of them as well. Seems to me sometime ago someone posted something about afordable/portable housing with info about purchases there in Hawaii. not to mention there must be private sales as well.
Nothing out there in the construction industry comes close to the sq ft $. Their strength allows for them to be stacked as high as nine times that must be better than 300 psft to the bottom guy.
I would also think they will make great storm shelters. and best of all very low maintenance, the occasional paint job. Cor-Ten Steel is rust-resistant by nature and the main places for concern will be the welded joints.
The Mobile Storage Group we are purchasing from even does modifications like
Air conditioning
Custom paint
Floor covering
Heating
Insulation
Interior finishing, partition walls & custom office fabrication
Lighting & electrical outlets
Lock box
Personnel doors
Pipe racks
Plan table
Roll-up doors
Shelving*
SoundKey Lock
Swing doors
Telephone/computer jacks
Venting & turbines
Windows
Window guards
and more
They are a nation wide firm, checkem out www.mobilestorage.com
Imagine what you could do!
Aloha HADave
RE: "Out Buildings" - John S. Rabi - 08-30-2007
Make sure you can build a two-story structure in your subdivision.
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RE: "Out Buildings" - nanasohana - 08-30-2007
When I think about using these shipping containers for housing, I keep invisioning two containers, set 12' to maybe 20' apart joined by a center structure, with lots of windows, maybe skylights...the first container would be divided into 2 bedrooms with a bath between, the second one-kitchen, livingroom and perhaps 1/2 bath, and the structure in between, for dining, and another sitting area or greenhouse area, for meditation, exercise...might be quite pleasant...it would be a more comtempary look...lots of possibilities.
RE: "Out Buildings" - Carey - 08-30-2007
Nancy, I have the same container vision (with a built up attic above each container for heat reduction, storage etc. Something very similar to the UHH Hawaiian Studies building, but with containers on either side of the central space....) I envision this out in Kalapana, as an exquisite easy care weekend getaway (easy to pack up & move being a prime reason for the containers!) Glad to hear that others have visons of containers dancing in their heads!
RE: "Out Buildings" - nanasohana - 08-30-2007
Yeah, and how about roof top garden beds? That would keep them cool and provide food and flowers, herbs. Wow, very interesting, huh? Now what would you set the containers on...would they set directly on the lava?