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RE: Ohia trees are dying rapidly, Why? - Guest - 02-26-2015 Good evening, good morning Mr Maise. Thank you for your response and where to take the samples. Were hoping this was not some crack formed from the geothermal blowout on that storms evenings. Not that they would be fracking but maybe hydro shearing of some sort could cause cracks? This death line that runs like a crack is over 50 yards or longer. Comes back around like a full very wavy circle. No round up, no burn from fertilizer, no close cut on grass or off setting of mower, not the drought, no dead tree, looked for fire ants (none). Roots from some of my trees slow the dying process of the grass but you can still follow the line through the base of these trees when looking close. The roots of the dead grass are dead looking and smell sweet like fermented. RE: Ohia trees are dying rapidly, Why? - pbmaise - 02-26-2015 I now think fire ants or another ant. Put a nice greasy taro or potato chip on the line. Check back in 1 hour. Yes I here what you say about geothermal plant. However, your nose is very sensitive to sulfur gases. Radon comes to mind and had been studied. See https://www.soest.hawaii.edu/GG/ASK/radon.html This said by all means get a Geiger counter. Scientific community should not poo poo direct observations. RE: Ohia trees are dying rapidly, Why? - TomK - 02-26-2015 "Scientific community should not poo poo direct observations." They don't poo poo direct observations, but they do like those observations to be confirmed and repeated. Should I believe a guy high on pot saying he saw a flying saucer land in Hilo? I'll weigh that comment with someone who is sober and said they saw nothing of the sort. ETA slight misformatting. RE: Ohia trees are dying rapidly, Why? - TomK - 02-26-2015 Kind of interesting that both pbmaise and gypsy69 keep editing their posts without explaining why. It's not a particularly honest way of carrying out an honest discussion. RE: Ohia trees are dying rapidly, Why? - pbmaise - 02-26-2015 TomK Let me be the first to agree that 95% of all first hand observations are alarmist. Further alarmists by nature are always claiming the sky is falling. I used to work for a big utility. The public must be met, educated, and questions answered again and again. PGV is certainly not doing it's PR work well. Gypsy by now should be a world expert on geothermal energy. He should know about drilling mud, where the backup generators are, see that they are working, and witness an autoswitchover test. Based on his ability to remember, record, and observe he is certainly not as you suggested. It is natural for him to jump to the conclusion that PGV is at fault since it is right near him. Are you on the Big Island now? Have you seen any if this Ohia diebacks? If it is more than just a localized issue the forests are in for big changes. Edit. Change word naturally to natural RE: Ohia trees are dying rapidly, Why? - Guest - 02-26-2015 I can write for myself, I have a spelling problem and so does my tablet. If I spell Mr maise, it comes out like Mr makes, hilo is hill, Puna is Luna, unless i catch it. So then I re-read and change because its possible, trying to be honest Tom. Is it possible that geothermal could bring lava up these wells? If so could it be possible for this lava to come with possible environmental impacts? Looks as if the ohia trees nearest this June 27th flow also burn quickly and very similarly even though they are not touched by the lava yet. Could hydro shearing or leaked heat make a difference to sensitive roots or trees, maybe help the fungus grow or mutate? We really don't know the cause to this fast killing fungus in lower puna yet another power plant is now in the works, why? Ormat's geothermal pulling up hot steam or lava could be a cause if not the complete cause to this runaway fungus, jmo. RE: Ohia trees are dying rapidly, Why? - TomK - 02-26-2015 Oh, please, "Gypsy by now should be a world expert on geothermal energy." I like Gypsy but he or she is not an expert on geothermal energy, nor are you. "He should know about drilling mud, where the backup generators are, see that they are working, and witness an autoswitchover test." Gypsy69 - here's your chance. pbmaise thinks you've witnessed an autoswitchover test. Have you? I'm also interested in the comment about the generators being in mud. Any comment about that, Gypsy? Pbmaise appears to have put you in the, er, mud. "Are you on the Big Island now?" Yes. "Have you seen any if this Ohia diebacks?" Yes. "If it is more than just a localized issue the forests are in for big changes." I thought it was all down to the frogs. My mistake, obviously. RE: Ohia trees are dying rapidly, Why? - pbmaise - 02-26-2015 TomK you so funny. PhD? Knit picking perchance? Yes Gypsy should by now know that plant inside and out. I admit geothermal isn't my specialty. I redesigned control systems for nuclear power in the wake of TMI. SIL4 systems on cat crackers too. Black liquor boilers were fun too. Gypsy ignore him. It is apparent to me from your questions that the public relations officer for the plant hasn't even come to say hello to you. If any employee of PGV read this, please forward valid public questions to the plant manager #1 No it is not possible for lava to come up from a very long narrow hole. Imagine trying to get wax to flow up a ten foot high straw. The wax will cool as it came up the straw and become solid. #2 Any operation has some kind of environmental impact. Noise impacts the environment. However, noise levels even when drilling will be far less than on a typical busy city street. #3 The PGV operation is closed loop. This means high pressure steam comes up one well, spins a turbine, and then is condensed into water. All those things that look like airconditioners with fans are cooling low pressure steam back into water. A high pressure pump, then forces the water back down a return well. . RE: Ohia trees are dying rapidly, Why? - TomK - 02-26-2015 "I admit geothermal isn't my specialty. I redesigned control systems for nuclear power in the wake of TMI. SIL4 systems on cat crackers too. Black liquor boilers were fun too. " Really. I'll see you and raise you some bull****. RE: Ohia trees are dying rapidly, Why? - Obie - 02-27-2015 Gypsy Here are links to previous studies that have been done on Ohia deaths.Please note that they both predate the geothermal plant, so give it a rest. http://www.fs.fed.us/psw/publications/documents/psw_gtr003/psw_gtr003.pdf http://www.fs.fed.us/psw/publications/documents/psw_gtr086/psw_gtr086.pdf |