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RE: Greggor V Russell - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 08-04-2016
Maybe just swayed by how easy it is to omit facts to make a point?
A point and a fact such as:
What good is it for Hawaii Island to allow farmers to grow GMO papayas, if they can't be exported to countries around the world, including all of the European Union, or sold on the shelves of local natural food stores? Because many GMO opponents can't differentiate between a roundup sprayed soybean and a non roundup sprayed papaya.
Of course papaya farmers have an adequate market at the present time, but they wouldn't if GMO opponents had their way, like they do in the EU.
The moon kind of surprises me sometimes. I’ll be out at night and I’ll see a nice moon, and say, “Hey, that looks good.” Then I’ll say, “Oh sh-t, I went up there one time!” Kind of surprises me. It’s like there are two Moons, you know—the one that’s usually around, and then that one. - Michael Collins, Apollo 11 astronaut
RE: Greggor V Russell - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 08-04-2016
After all, all of Europe hasn't banned geothermal, but they have GMO products, and for good reason.
I thought I would just add, that although Hawaii papaya farmers are growing a legal GMO crop under Hawaii County statutes, they still need to confront not only the ban of their product around the world which you state is "for good reason," they must also contend with the Kamali'i-Kapoho Chapter of the GMO Philosophers Society and their nighttime meetings, which include attacking the papaya fields of small farmers with machetes to hack down acres of trees. The farmers then find it necessary to respond to a few hours of criminal vigilantism with months of overtime work just to get their fields back to where they had been, with no income, as they have no papayas to sell from the destroyed crop.
The moon kind of surprises me sometimes. I’ll be out at night and I’ll see a nice moon, and say, “Hey, that looks good.” Then I’ll say, “Oh sh-t, I went up there one time!” Kind of surprises me. It’s like there are two Moons, you know—the one that’s usually around, and then that one. - Michael Collins, Apollo 11 astronaut
RE: Greggor V Russell - kalakoa - 08-04-2016
Greggor, if elected, will give you real reason to regret having cast your vote for him
Ruderman already has. Along with the entire sitting Council, and Mayor Kenoi.
RE: Greggor V Russell - Chunkster - 08-04-2016
quote:Yes, this sums it up. In a more perfect Puna, we would have better choices. Given what we have to pick from, Ruderman got my vote. Unlike Ilagan, he does not aspire to be a professional politician and has not sold out to power brokers.
Originally posted by kalakoa
The above discourse reads (to me) as: "neither candidate is really a good choice, vote for the least offensive" (which notion varies per voter).
Hooray for "democracy".
RE: Greggor V Russell - shockwave rider - 08-04-2016
quote:
Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
After all, all of Europe hasn't banned geothermal, but they have GMO products, and for good reason.
I thought I would just add, that although Hawaii papaya farmers are growing a legal GMO crop under Hawaii County statutes, they still need to confront not only the ban of their product around the world which you state is "for good reason," they must also contend with the Kamali'i-Kapoho Chapter of the GMO Philosophers Society and their nighttime meetings, which include attacking the papaya fields of small farmers with machetes to hack down acres of trees. The farmers then find it necessary to respond to a few hours of criminal vigilantism with months of overtime work just to get their fields back to where they had been, with no income, as they have no papayas to sell from the destroyed crop.
The moon kind of surprises me sometimes. I’ll be out at night and I’ll see a nice moon, and say, “Hey, that looks good.” Then I’ll say, “Oh sh-t, I went up there one time!” Kind of surprises me. It’s like there are two Moons, you know—the one that’s usually around, and then that one. - Michael Collins, Apollo 11 astronaut
This is pure speculation, there has been no specific evidence of the motivation for the papaya hacking, at the time the police said it may have been a personal beef between growers OR GMO hacktivists. Generally ecosabateurs rush to claim credit for their actions. That did not happen here.
RE: Greggor V Russell - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 08-04-2016
Generally ecosabateurs rush to claim credit for their actions
Not necessarily, should they plan multiple attacks, which they did.
The moon kind of surprises me sometimes. I’ll be out at night and I’ll see a nice moon, and say, “Hey, that looks good.” Then I’ll say, “Oh sh-t, I went up there one time!” Kind of surprises me. It’s like there are two Moons, you know—the one that’s usually around, and then that one. - Michael Collins, Apollo 11 astronaut
RE: Greggor V Russell - james weatherford - 08-04-2016
quote:
Originally posted by shockwave rider
quote:
Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
After all, all of Europe hasn't banned geothermal, but they have GMO products, and for good reason.
I thought I would just add, that although Hawaii papaya farmers are growing a legal GMO crop under Hawaii County statutes, they still need to confront not only the ban of their product around the world which you state is "for good reason," they must also contend with the Kamali'i-Kapoho Chapter of the GMO Philosophers Society and their nighttime meetings, which include attacking the papaya fields of small farmers with machetes to hack down acres of trees. The farmers then find it necessary to respond to a few hours of criminal vigilantism with months of overtime work just to get their fields back to where they had been, with no income, as they have no papayas to sell from the destroyed crop.
The moon kind of surprises me sometimes. I’ll be out at night and I’ll see a nice moon, and say, “Hey, that looks good.” Then I’ll say, “Oh sh-t, I went up there one time!” Kind of surprises me. It’s like there are two Moons, you know—the one that’s usually around, and then that one. - Michael Collins, Apollo 11 astronaut
This is pure speculation, there has been no specific evidence of the motivation for the papaya hacking, at the time the police said it may have been a personal beef between growers OR GMO hacktivists. Generally ecosabateurs rush to claim credit for their actions. That did not happen here.
It is irresponsible and inflammatory speculation.
The papaya farmer attacked indicated that it was "due to jealousy" by others for his success, as in other papaya farmers. And, there were stories about gambling debts.
RE: Greggor V Russell - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 08-04-2016
"due to jealousy"
stories about gambling debts.
Do you have links to these allegations? I found a comment about jealously, but it only mentioned other farmers were jealous back when the farmer interviewed said he started to grow the Rainbow variety, long before the attacks took place, and in the same sentence the possibility of GMO activists was given equal weight. I couldn't find anything about gambling.
The moon kind of surprises me sometimes. I’ll be out at night and I’ll see a nice moon, and say, “Hey, that looks good.” Then I’ll say, “Oh sh-t, I went up there one time!” Kind of surprises me. It’s like there are two Moons, you know—the one that’s usually around, and then that one. - Michael Collins, Apollo 11 astronaut
RE: Greggor V Russell - pahoated - 08-06-2016
Greggor introduces flurry of rezoning bills for individuals. Looks like the favors need paying off before leaving.
Hawai‘i County Council-47 August 3, 2016
Bill 206 AMENDS SECTION 25-8-26 (P#256;HOA ZONE MAP), ARTICLE 8, CHAPTER 25
(Draft 2): (ZONING CODE) OF THE HAWAI‘I COUNTY CODE 1983 (2005 EDITION),
BY CHANGING THE DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION FROM SINGLE-FAMILY
RESIDENTIAL – 10,000 SQUARE FEET (RS-10) TO VILLAGE
COMMERCIAL –10,000 SQUARE FEET (CV-10) AT N#256;N#256;WALE
HOMESTEADS, P#256;HOA, PUNA, HAWAI‘I, COVERED BY TAX MAP KEY:
1-5-011:008 AND 1-5-011:009
(Applicants: David and Charlene Ewing) (Area: Approx. 17,994 square feet)
The Windward Planning Commission forwards its favorable recommendation for
this change of zone, which would allow the applicants to develop a 2,400 square-
foot commercial building into an internet coffee shop and retail business complex
on P#257;hoa Village Road in downtown P#257;hoa.
Reference: Comm. 876.5
Intr. by: Mr. Ilagan
Referred to the Planning
Department: June 3, 2016
First Reading: July 19, 2016
ND
PASSED 2AND FINAL READING:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David, Eoff, Ilagan, Onishi, Paleka,
Poindexter, Wille, and Chair Kanuha – 9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Bill 214: AMENDS SECTION 25-8-33 (CITY OF HILO ZONE MAP), ARTICLE 8,
CHAPTER 25 (ZONING CODE) OF THE HAWAI#699;I COUNTY CODE 1983
(2005 EDITION), BY CHANGING THE DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION FROM
AGRICULTURAL – THREE ACRES (A-3a) TO FAMILY AGRICULTURAL –
ND
ONE ACRE (FA-1a) AT WAI#256;KEA HOMESTEADS 2, WAI#256;KEA,
SOUTH HILO, HAWAI#699;I, COVERED BY TAX MAP KEY: 2-4-034:044
(Applicant: Chris Brilhante) (Area: 3.5876 acres)
The Windward Planning Commission forwards its favorable recommendation for
this change of zone, which would allow the applicant to subdivide the property into
three lots. The applicant states that the lots will be conveyed to family members.
Reference: Comm. 906
Intr. by: Mr. Ilagan (B/R)
First Reading: July 19, 2016
ND
PASSED 2AND FINAL READING:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David, Eoff, Ilagan, Onishi, Paleka,
Poindexter, Wille, and Chair Kanuha – 9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Bill 215: AMENDS ORDINANCE NO. 06-114, WHICH RECLASSIFIED LANDS FROM
SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL – 10,000 SQUARE FEET (RS-10) TO
GENERAL COMMERCIAL – 20,000 SQUARE FEET (CG-20) AT WAI#256;KEA
HOUSE LOTS, HAWAI#699;I, COVERED BY TAX MAP KEYS: 2-2-034:066, 078,
AND 079 (Applicant: Big Island Candies, Inc.) (Area: Approx. 45,450 square feet)
The Windward Planning Commission forwards its favorable recommendation for
an eight-year time extension to Condition C (time to complete construction) as well
as Conditions D, E, and F (roadway infrastructure improvements). The applicant
states it intends to construct an additional two-story, 25,000 square foot
production/storage facility and open visitor rest area.
Reference: Comm. 907
Intr. by: Mr. Ilagan (B/R)
First Reading: July 19, 2016
ND
PASSED 2AND FINAL READING:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David, Eoff, Ilagan, Onishi, Paleka,
Poindexter, Wille, and Chair Kanuha – 9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Bill 216: AMENDS ORDINANCE NO. 04-56, WHICH RECLASSIFIED LANDS
FROM AGRICULTURAL – FIVE ACRES (A-5a) TO SINGLE FAMILY
ND
RESIDENTIAL – 7,500 SQUARE FEET (RS-7.5) AT PUAPUA#699;A 2, NORTH
KONA, HAWAI#699;I, COVERED BY TAX MAP KEYS: 7-5-020:071 AND 072
(Applicant: Ali#699;i Palms, LLC) (Area: 10.142 acres)
The Leeward Planning Commission forwards its favorable recommendation for
amendments to Condition B (final subdivision approval) and Condition J
(construction of drainage improvements); and its unfavorable recommendation to
amend Condition V (fair share contributions). The proposed project has not changed
from that presented by the former applicant to develop a 58-unit, single-family
residential subdivision and related improvements.
Reference: Comm. 911
Intr. by: Mr. Ilagan (B/R)
First Reading: July 19, 2016
ND
PASSED 2AND FINAL READING:
Ayes: Council Members Chung, David, Eoff, Ilagan, Onishi, Paleka,
Poindexter, Wille, and Chair Kanuha – 9.
Noes: None.
Absent: None.
Excused: None.
Bill 217 AMENDS SECTION 25-8-33 (CITY OF HILO ZONE MAP), ARTICLE 8,
(Draft 2): CHAPTER 25 (ZONING CODE) OF THE HAWAI#699;I COUNTY CODE 1983
(2005 EDITION), BY CHANGING THE DISTRICT CLASSIFICATION FROM
SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL – 10,000 SQUARE FEET (RS-10) TO
NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL – 10,000 SQUARE FEET (CN-10) AT
ST
WAI#256;KEA HOUSE LOTS 1, WAI#256;KEA, SOUTH HILO, HAWAI#699;I,
COVERED BY TAX MAP KEYS: 2-2-027:038, 039, AND 058
(Applicant: James Ishii) (Area: 58,500 square feet)
The Windward Planning Commission forwards its negative recommendation for
this change of zone, which would allow the applicant to consolidate three
contiguous lots on which the applicant’s three existing dwellings would be removed
to develop a 14,000 square foot commercial building to be used as office space with
on-site parking provided.
Reference: Comm. 908.4
Intr. by: Mr. Ilagan (B/R)
First Reading: July 19, 2016
*Japanese tourist on bus through Pahoa, "Is this still America?*
RE: Greggor V Russell - BillyB - 08-06-2016
I believe the Chair of the Planning Committee (Ilagan) introduces most if not all of the requests from the Planning Department and the Planning Commissions for Council consideration. I notice these are all unanimous votes on favorable recommendations by the respective Planning Commissions.
This is probably the average load of mundane work the Council deals with on any given month. I don't get the flurry or pay back spin.
Note the first item is for the property next to the surf shop that was previously sabotaged by an unnamed blogger. It looks like a reasonable request, certainly good for Pahoa.