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RE: Burned by land clearing guy, a cautionary tale - Bob Orts - 09-06-2008
quote:And, isn't that the point Hikatz was trying to make. Things were said about this individual from people who have no idea who he is, what he did, or any facts beyond what one person posted. Everything said about him may be 100% true, or it could be 50% true or it could be completely false and blown out of proportion. Let's assume for a moment that it was Puna Pete who posted the comment and it was about Rob and Castleblock, what do you honestly think the reaction would have been?
Originally posted by pslamont
You weren't there and don't know what happened.
There was an immediate offensive attack posture taken against the contractor and an immediate defensive posture taken for the poster, many by those who know squat about what occurred. That, I believe, is the basis of Hikatz comments, one I fully understand and agree with.
RE: Burned by land clearing guy, a cautionary tale - DickWilson - 09-06-2008
I have been following this post and Really think we are missing one primary point. Frankly I couldn't give two hoops in hell what kind of contractor he is. If he doesn't know how to speak to women, he needs intensive course in behaving like gentleman. If anyone spoke to my wife the way he evidently spoke to Kathy, he and I would both be going to the hospital, me on one leg and him for major rectal surgery. There is NO excuse for behaving that way to a woman. I don't care how bad his day was, it damn sure should have got worse.
dick wilson
RE: Burned by land clearing guy, a cautionary tale - Bob Orts - 09-06-2008
quote:
Originally posted by DickWilson
There is NO excuse for behaving that way to a woman. I don't care how bad his day was, it damn sure should have got worse.
So, did you speak up right there on the spot and tell him what he was saying to Kathy was wrong, or did you just stand there doing nothing, and now puffing up your chest?
RE: Burned by land clearing guy, a cautionary tale - DickWilson - 09-06-2008
No Bob, I wasn't there. Had I been my reaction would have been just as described.
dick wilson
RE: Burned by land clearing guy, a cautionary tale - Bob Orts - 09-06-2008
quote:I Rest My Case![^]
Originally posted by DickWilson
No Bob, I wasn't there.
RE: Burned by land clearing guy, a cautionary tale - DickWilson - 09-06-2008
Ones reaction to this lies with the credibility of the players. Kathy was open and above board in posting and using her name. Troy must have an identity crisis, as he can't seem to make up his mind as to whether he is Shauna, or Troy.
dick wilson
RE: Burned by land clearing guy, a cautionary tale - hikatz - 09-06-2008
quote:That was because Shauna originally logged on with Punaweb, when Troy tried to post, it would not accept his name. Again, that has happened to me and I'm sure other people have had the same experience. You also have to realize, how they must have felt pulling this up and reading this, so if an error was made I think that is understandable!
Originally posted by DickWilson
Ones reaction to this lies with the credibility of the players. Kathy was open and above board in posting and using her name. Troy must have an identity crisis, as he can't seem to make up his mind as to whether he is Shauna, or Troy.
dick wilson
RE: Burned by land clearing guy, a cautionary tale - missydog1 - 09-06-2008
hi again,
I totally agree that it is fair to represent both sides of the story here.
I agree with that intellectually, and yet when hikatz posted her defense of him I responded emotionally.
I responded emotionally, because hearing that everyone can be a bit rude, brought up some pain. Troy laid some major verbal abuse on me. A long time ago I experienced a couple relationships with men who drank and said horrible things to me, and I was young and I took it for too long. I am older now and I have a line you don't cross without me coming right back at you.
Saying that the way he acted was just a bit of rudeness that I might want to chalk up to him having a bad day, was to me much like saying to a battered wife, "he only hit you a little and because he had a bad day." So I responded to shut down the opinion that it was OK to treat me like that for any reason.
Verbal assault leaves a different kind of black and blue, but it's real. I was looking out my window today at my garden, which is beautiful to see, and there was this bad memory of this bad scene superimposed on it.
I would think that another woman would be able to relate to that.
I'm sorry, hikatz, I don't mean to shut you down. I am fine with you telling everyone about the good jobs Troy has done. I simply cannot handle the idea that it was excusable for him to go off on me that way.
What I should have done, I realized afterwards, is go in the house and get my camera with a video setting, and record the encounter. Perhaps he would have spoken and acted differently. But I was so shocked that I wasn't thinking on all cylinders.
Thank you Dick for saying that no one could talk to your wife that way, thus supporting that IF he said what I say he said, that is unacceptable. As I know I am repeating his words accurately, it at least makes ME feel better.
I have been posting at Punaweb for 14 months or so, commenting and advising and sometimes debating, but I have never come on here with some manufactured drama about my real life, and I hope that history speaks for something. That is all I have, that and pictures.
I am putting the photos on a private Webshots album, and if you want to see you can email me and I'll send you the link. The nature of the topography makes it impossible to show the whole thing in one photo, so it's a sequence. Rather than putting up one or two photos that I could pick out to show the worst, I'm just putting up the whole thing so as to give as unbiased a look as I can -- given that I was taking photos to document problems.
As for Troy coming back and speaking his side, I don't know how I can respond to the type of comeback that says "you are telling nothing but lies" -- which is all he said. If there's a difference of opinion about the job that can be discussed, cool. But he chose to take the route that I came on here to manufacture a story and tell lies.
Like I said in my original story, he went off on me for being a "thief" and planning not to pay him, and now I'm a liar. Calling someone names who hired you to do a job -- that is exactly my point about hiring Troy. Don't expect him to pull any punches and act like a professional. If it serves him best to call you a liar or a swindler, expect it. His own post bears out my point.
There are two reasons he might say that it's all lies on my part.
1) he takes the simple approach of discrediting people who don't accept his work of calling them liars. That could happen to you too.
2) He is somewhat delusional or deluded and believes what he's saying.
Possible. Again, try to work with someone that divorced from the real world who cannot even understand that you don't act that way and talk like that when you're in business and taking someone's money.
3) He's right, and I made up the whole thing. Why, who knows. I know I didn't.
This topic was not started to put Troy on trial. As Bob says, it's word against word.
I didn't start this to humiliate Troy or get him exposed on Google.
I started this topic so that the next person who reads Punaweb, who wants to hire Troy, does not go into the situation as blindly as I did -- predisposed to consider him honest, reliable, and professional.
I started out with a good opinion and that made me more receptive to his own hype about himself, and I let some things slide. I didn't protect myself with enough documentation as I would if I hired a guy straight out of the classifieds. Add to that I have a tendency to believe the best of people until proven otherwise.
I understand my mistake and I posted a caution to save trusting people like myself from heading down the same road. If you do hire him, get it all in writing, make him do the job over the table, discuss liability issues, make a written agreement that gets into what happens if he doesn't finish the job. Protect yourself. That is all.
RE: Burned by land clearing guy, a cautionary tale - rbakker - 09-06-2008
Thanks for the warning, KathyH.
RE: Burned by land clearing guy, a cautionary tale - Dave M - 09-06-2008
quote:
Originally posted by DickWilson
No Bob, I wasn't there.
I Rest My Case!
Hello Bob,
I assume, by reading your posts that you’re a litigious fellow. I think the one thing you may have missed, at least from my post, is I believe Kathy and John in their reports. You seem to feel that Mr. Stenzel is innocent until proven guilty and in a legal setting you would be right but in a real life setting of “he said she said” one has to generally weigh the stories and their sources and draw a conclusion.
This thread was on its way out when Mr. Stensel decide to come on here and call Kathy a liar. He has yet to tell his story or, I assume, to contact Kathy. Kathy appears to me to be pretty smart and I'm sure she has considered the consequences of posting in an open forum. With that said, I think it's important to point out the fact that she has not backed away from her original post in the least actually to the contrary she is now threatening legal action.
You may feel like her story is all here say and not worthy of recognition and maybe in a legal setting you'd be right but this is PW. I think this is the type of incident that PW was created for. I don't think a long standing member of PW should be afraid to come on here and warn people about a contractor that she had problems with. Do you? I don't think Dick wants to find out this guy's nature with the guy cussing out his wife.. let alone someone having to clean up the blood.
Again, all we have to work with is the two individuals’ stories. Mr. Stenzel has found his way here in as much a he has now come on and started name calling with out any explanation. Which kinda parallels Kathy's original story. If anything, I think if he's a stand up guy this would be the place to start proving it and calling Kathy a liar, without following up, speaks volumes.
Blessings,
dave
"It doesn't mean that much to me.. to mean that much to you." Neil Young