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RE: TMT Work to Resume Says Ige! - Obie - 12-08-2015
I don't think money is a problem.It's a shame though that many of the planners and backers may not see it completed during their lives.
Here is a short timeline of the H3 on Oahu.37 years from initial planning to completion.
Orders for the freeway were granted in 1960, followed by planning stages. Construction, amid enormous community protest, was begun in the late 1980s, although the road did not open until December 12, 1997. Environmental complaints and legal challenges halted construction at many points. Construction resumed during the late 1980s due to an unprecedented move by U.S. Senator Daniel Inouye, who in 1986 had the freeway exempted from most environmental laws as a rider on a Department of Defense budget bill
RE: TMT Work to Resume Says Ige! - kimo wires - 12-08-2015
H3 is an enchanting road. I try to drive it every time I go to Oahu. It feels like a portal back in time.
Hopefully the extreme measures won't have to be undertaken to get the TMT done.
RE: TMT Work to Resume Says Ige! - kalakoa - 12-08-2015
Hopefully the extreme measures won't have to be undertaken to get the TMT done.
I suggest there is very little risk of extreme measures with Inouye gone.
RE: TMT Work to Resume Says Ige! - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 12-08-2015
The essay by Ka'iulani Milham in the Hawaii Independent was confusing in so many ways:
http://hawaiiindependent.net/story/the-ongoing-struggle-for-civil-rights-in-hawaii
One of the main figures interviewed was Joseph “Jojo” Henderson. Here are a few quotes from him in the article:
“I used to come up here usually every second Sunday to clean the ahu,” Henderson says, his voice cracking with emotion. “Now we can’t even pray. Everybody else in this world can pray, but we can’t pray, as k#257;naka. That’s not right, brah.”
In an interview, Henderson said thousands made pilgrimages to the ahu over the summer, and that he went up about 100 times himself “just to clean up the ho#699;okupu—the gifts—that people bring.
The ahu built by protesters on Mauna Kea only stood for a season, several months. How did Henderson come up every other Sunday and clean it a total of 100 times?
Henderson also stated he can't pray because the ahu is gone. Does this mean he never prayed before it was built? If so, does that mean he just discovered his religion a few months ago? He says "Everybody else in this world can pray, but we can’t pray, as k#257;naka." All kanaka have stopped praying? There is nowhere else on the island or in the world for kanaka to pray?
If the author intended to write an article that created more questions than answers about the protests on Mauna Kea, he succeeded. And in the process, more confusion for his readers.
RE: TMT Work to Resume Says Ige! - MarkP - 12-08-2015
"Wow dude, you do realize where you are , don't you? This is the nothing but USA all the way PW website. This is where anything that is not pure American wave that flag and @#%! the rest of them gets jumped on, smeared, ridiculed, harassed, by a bunch of incredibly rude Punatics that make the John Birch Society look tame. So saying Why is that when ANY non-white group, in this case those claiming some percentage of native Hawaiian blood, assert their rights as a special population, it is generally regarded as a positive HERE is funny kine humor brah!"
A ridiculous statement that does not address or acknowledge those clearly racist facets of the sovereignty movement, but smears and ridicules anybody who points them out.
RE: TMT Work to Resume Says Ige! - Guest - 12-08-2015
The single most important scientific endeavor of our age is the precise location and characterization of potentially habitable [earth-like] extrasolar planets. Visiting the moon and mars are irrelevant sideshows. TMT must be built since it will be the only instrument with planet characterization capability in the northern hemisphere; half of the universe.
Sustained 1 Gravity propulsion based upon the vacuum energy of space is all that is required for relativistic travel. It is a technological Black Swan that is about to make an appearance, and it will not be from NASA or the US Government.
A Starship with nowhere to go because the needed work determining a destination has not been done is a pathetic notion. You cannot simply go from star to star at random. Even at lightspeed that takes decades per try. We need candidate extrasolar systems with a high probability of being viable destinations.
TMT is not a political sideshow. There are huge stakes here.
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You can't fix Samsara.
RE: TMT Work to Resume Says Ige! - kalakoa - 12-09-2015
The single most important scientific endeavor of our age is the precise location and characterization of potentially habitable
If "we" can't build the TMT, I doubt we'll be able to build the starship to take us off this planet -- just imagine the protests.
Visiting the moon and mars are irrelevant sideshows.
The moon is hostile enough, and close enough, that it would make for excellent training, research, development. Like camping in the backyard before backpacking through Tibet.
You cannot simply go from star to star at random.
You could hollow out an asteroid, and colonies like this are more feasible given the current lack of long-term planning.
RE: TMT Work to Resume Says Ige! - pahoated - 12-09-2015
I would prefer going back to the anti-geothermal arguing to this anti-TMT arguing. At least geothermal is directly relevant to Puna, while TMT isn't. It looks like TMT could end up a couple more years in court before anything approaching closure emerges from this muck.
At least all this garbage going on demonstrates why getting a law degree on this island is the path to lifetime job security.
"Aloha also means goodbye. Aloha!"
RE: TMT Work to Resume Says Ige! - kimo wires - 12-09-2015
Geothermal isn't as glamorous as the TMT.
Wouldn't get as much attention.
The protesters have struck a nerve picking on the TMT.
Its of world interest but more than that, its popular.
It will garner the most face time with the media.
Its a double edged sword.
And as the protesters are so reluctant to see a way through to any kind of compromise with their all or nothing attitude.
It shows them is a very bad light to the majority in favor of the TMT
RE: TMT Work to Resume Says Ige! - ericlp - 12-09-2015
As I read through the BS, I kept thinking to myself don't feed the trolls...
Just remember this I suppose... The opposition to TMT, Will grant you kindom nation, Hawaiian Plates, etc...etc... and you could be white as snow... All you gotta do is support the anti-TMT movement.
Reality? More than half of the "Hawaiians" are for TMT. But that doesn't bring in money or gets news attention... so...
Sigh...
This is what we are left with.
Enjoy!