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RE: Maui GMO protest - Wao nahele kane - 04-21-2014
Mtviewdude,
Damn it grows well up there! Cool beans dude, you're right on.
RE: Maui GMO protest - OpenD - 04-21-2014
quote:
Originally posted by David M
Human assisted grafting is simply genetic modification in a different, more acceptable, form.
No it's not. Grafting is merely a physical process that allows branches from one species to grow on the rootstock of another. There is no exchange of genetic material. In the back pages of Popular Mechanics magazine there used to be a plant nursery ad for a grafted tree that had five kinds of fruit on it to plant in your garden. But if you saved the seeds from the limes, for example, and planted them, they would come up exactly the same variety of limes. Ditto the lemons, etc. And I see you can buy multi-colored rose bushes, created the same way, by grafting. But any offspring will not have that quality, because there is no genetic modification whatsoever.
This method is used extensively in agriculture. Essentially all the French varietal wine grapes are grafted onto American rootstock, because our native varieties are resistant to the Phylloxera disease that nearly wiped out their vineyards many decades ago. Many kinds of sweet oranges are grafted onto sturdier bitter orange root stock without changing the resulting oranges in any way.
RE: Maui GMO protest - OpenD - 04-21-2014
quote:
Originally posted by Wao nahele kane
Labeled as in commonly already existing food label requirements...
No, mandating the labeling of foods containing GMOs is completely different, because there is no credible scientific evidence that it is necessary for the public good. Therefore in a legal challenge it would be considered Unconstitutional. as a violation of their free speech rights, to require food producers to use such labels.
This legal principle was elevated in the 1990s when the Vermont law requiring milk from cows treated with rBGH hormone to be so labelled was overturned by the courts. Since this material had already been "demonized" without scientific proof, it was deemed prejudicial in the market place and harmful to the dairy farmers affected by it, and it was struck down.
This is exactly the same situation we have today in regards to GMO labels. The term "GMO" has been unfairly demonized, with countless people attacking the technology as poison, despite a complete lack of credible proof that it is harmful. And there is a strong scientific consensus that GMOs are safe.
For those who are opposed to GMOs and wanting labels, I suggest you put your efforts into getting voluntary "Non-GMO" labels on things. That would be entirely legal, as well as putting the costs of the process where they belong.
Or you can buy food labelled "Organic," and pay the price difference, because Organic food producers don't use GMOs.
But in the absence of credible scientific proof of a compelling public need to require GMO labels, any such law won't pass Constitutional muster.
RE: Maui GMO protest - David M - 04-22-2014
quote:
Originally posted by Wao nahele kane
Nope, you are trying to redefine natural to include assist by man as opposed to natural occurring without intervention/assist by man. There's a whole culture on these islands that rally against things that happened or grown on these islands that hinge on involvement of humans. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways.
Human assisted grafting is simply genetic modification in a different, more acceptable, form.
David
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Okay David, you made the claim... "Human assisted grafting is simply genetic modification in a different, more acceptable, form."
Now prove it to us. Cite a scientific study that proves grafting is a different form of genetic engineering.
I'll give you 24 hours to provide us all with a scientific study backing your claim.
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No need. You supplied the human intervention part in your post. I used the term modification, not engineering. Your own post also stated 'in nature". As in most of the scrare politics, you reworded to suit your stance and then challenge.
David
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Please visit vacation.ninolehawaii.com
RE: Maui GMO protest - David M - 04-22-2014
quote:
Originally posted by OpenD
quote:
Originally posted by David M
Human assisted grafting is simply genetic modification in a different, more acceptable, form.
No it's not. Grafting is merely a physical process that allows branches from one species to grow on the rootstock of another. There is no exchange of genetic material. In the back pages of Popular Mechanics magazine there used to be a plant nursery ad for a grafted tree that had five kinds of fruit on it to plant in your garden. But if you saved the seeds from the limes, for example, and planted them, they would come up exactly the same variety of limes. Ditto the lemons, etc. And I see you can buy multi-colored rose bushes, created the same way, by grafting. But any offspring will not have that quality, because there is no genetic modification whatsoever.
This method is used extensively in agriculture. Essentially all the French varietal wine grapes are grafted onto American rootstock, because our native varieties are resistant to the Phylloxera disease that nearly wiped out their vineyards many decades ago. Many kinds of sweet oranges are grafted onto sturdier bitter orange root stock without changing the resulting oranges in any way.
And should I assume that their are sufficient longterm, independent studies, meeting the standards of the anti GMO crowd, documenting the safety of this process? Please cite, just for our education. Will grafted food stock be exempt from labeling?
Yes, the island of Waialua.
Did you ever post where to find this place? Goes credibility.
David
Ninole Resident
Please visit vacation.ninolehawaii.com
RE: Maui GMO protest - peteadams - 04-22-2014
"There are those who "believe" that science is infallible and always on cue."
Whoa, that a way silly statement if you're referring to actual scientists. You do know about, for instance, consistent replication of observations and results don't you?
RE: Maui GMO protest - Wao nahele kane - 04-22-2014
How many here can comprehend the meaning within the following? How many can further apply it to the commercialism of GMO in the USA?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ovgjodtSEfk#t=111
RE: Maui GMO protest - PaulW - 04-22-2014
It's a video set at Auschwitz saying how being anti-rationality can lead to tragedy.
I assume you have failed to comprehend the meaning, Jungle Man.
You seem to spend a lot of time youtubing, no wonder you're so confused.
RE: Maui GMO protest - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 04-22-2014
What I comprehend from the youtube video is that there were probably no scientists in charge at the concentration camp. There were probably very few scientists stationed at the concentration camp.
Scientists may have built an atomic bomb, scientists did not drop it on a city.
The people who decide to kill civilians probably prune rose bushes in their front yard, and graft fruit trees in their backyard when they get a day off.
RE: Maui GMO protest - Wao nahele kane - 04-22-2014
Actually PaulW you got this part partially correct though incomplete.
"It's a video set at Auschwitz saying how being anti-rationality can lead to tragedy."
As per the remainder of what you expressed, that's you engaging in the very topic of the video.
A question for you PaulW; how is it you came to the conclusion that I seem to spend a lot of time "youtubing" or is that just another one of your ignorant assumptions?