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RE: The Great Spirit - Punatic007 - 09-21-2015
quote:
Originally posted by Thunderfoot
I was going to respond to Punatic but now just want to respond to Rob. Wow, Rob, in our defense the topic was the Great Spirit and you allowed 7 pages of discussion about it. No one was not getting along if you read it. we were all actually enjoying the banter, and I am not a boy. I am a woman. Sorry if my speaking up ruffles feathers, just saying none of us thought we were fighting. I thought we were having an intelligent discussion. I very rarely chime in here in this forum because of I rarely see anything I want to comment on, and when I finally do, you misunderstand the conversation and threaten to shut down the thread. This topic does relate to Hawaii because Native Americans first arrived on Molokai long before the missionaries in 1812. So, Native American culture is very relevant to Hawaii, especially since many of our laws apply to Hawaiians. So, the concept of the Great Spirit is relevant to Hawaii because here we are talking about, isn't that proof enough it is related to Hawaii ?
Just so you know, it's me the moderator has an issue with, not you. Some of us deal with symptoms and others deal with the root cause.
I agree, all you have written has everything to do with Hawaii.
RE: The Great Spirit - Thunderfoot - 09-21-2015
MarkP - I was not "dumping" on Rob. I was actually complying with what he asked and that was bring it back to Hawaii. He even commented to that effect.
Kapoho Joe - Comments like asking if someone wants whine with their cheese was left field of what I was saying. No one was whinning, merely pointing out facts. And I am not a Man for the second time. And why comment in a manner as to be condescending ? I fail to see how that contributes anything to the conversation, and in fact has quiet the opposite effect.
dakine - An old Hawaiian Tutu that was born on Molokai told me stories about it, and I have heard it from several of my elders as well.
Stizz and Frank - Thanks for your comments
Punatic007 -
Now to answer your questions you asked earlier. It definitely started out as immigrants. I could hardly believe it started with the newcomers wanting war since they were fleeing where they were and just wanted to find a new home. We watched from a distance for a while, not getting involved, so we found out later why they came. As we watched we saw they were dying and starving. The crop seeds they brought would not grow. We felt bad and went to help, gave them seeds and showed them how to grow food in their new home. But then the differences of cultures lead to clashes, as it often does anytime humans are in proximity to each other,LOL..... Even family members fight from time to time. It is an inescapable element of the dynamic of people. It really doesn't matter who started it first, it led to war unfortunately. That is what happens when humans cannot agree to disagree. We did try to get a long but eventually on one side or the other there will always be those with their own ideas and go against their group and agreements, and take matters in their own hands. It happens in any war. When that occurs distrust grows and it is hard to get back to any form of peace and it escalates usually. So people were brutally attacked on both sides. Sometimes Europeans would dress up as Natives and kill their own and blame us. These things happen in war. That is the past and there is no going back. We honestly do see everyone as our brothers and sisters and still want to help if we can. As far as good and bad people, as you put it. Again a concept we do not have in my culture. We have the honorable way of doing something and the dishonorable way of doing something. It is similar but not exactly the same meaning. So, yes, in any culture,race, gender, economic status, political status etc.. there are those who will be honorable and those who will not be. For example, not all Germans were Nazis. As for "I hear ya about the dumbing down of America, Zionist extremists now own our media. He who controls the media controls the narrative, controls the country. They were slick and have a history of underhanded take overs on a large scale, this is not the first country they have manipulated and deceived.
All of human history is filled with inequities, greatness and everything inbetween.
My favorite attitude is held by the displaced nomadic hilltribe peoples of SE Asia, all they want are the opportunities to change with the rest of the world, as it changes continually. When I asked a chief if they held grudges for the long list of inequities suffered, he was briefly offended I would ask such a question. Said "there's absolutely nothing productive about blaming or holding grudges about the past, instead we move forward"."
I totally agree
Rob - I always appreciate your input and super appreciate you letting hash things out here---Hugs
RE: The Great Spirit - VancouverIslander - 09-22-2015
I find it quite odd that someone can make a post with positive sentiment, just trying to share some insight into how they thought you could live a better life and it can immediately be misinterpreted by some forum members as racist and devolve into 'us against them'. Perhaps we could be a little more generous in our interpretations. There are a lot of items on that list that could easily have come from Buddhism, Christianity or Islam.
Just call me Mike
RE: The Great Spirit - Derrick Barnicoat - 09-22-2015
I agree there is not sense in holding grudges about the past, but one of the main issues I see particularly in the U.S. but also around the world is that much of what we call history is still happening. By calling it history the present is never addressed at face value and people who do address the present issues are demonized. Not that we should hold grudges about the present either but it is high time that humanity makes some changes about how it sees itself. If one suffers, we all suffer. If freedom is trampled for the the freedom of a few there is no freedom, liberty, rights, etc. etc. Granted, it is only natural that suffering will happen but why hold on to behaviors that fosters the oppression of certain groups so one group can maintain some illusion of supremacy. This type of system benefits nobody in the big picture.
RE: The Great Spirit - Lodestone - 09-22-2015
quote:Wait, what? Perhaps this is not your intent, but the notion that Jews are secretly controlling things has been bandied about before, and generally by not very nice people (Nazis, KKK, ISIS, etc.). Please clarify.
Originally posted by Punatic007
[quote]Zionist extremists now own our media. He who controls the media controls the narrative, controls the country. They were slick and have a history of underhanded take overs on a large scale, this is not the first country they have manipulated and deceived.
RE: The Great Spirit - Rob Tucker - 09-22-2015
I prefer to let it slid and not wander further down that path.... unless it can be directly related to Hawaii.
Assume the best and ask questions.
Punaweb moderator
RE: The Great Spirit - Lodestone - 09-22-2015
quote:Sorry, Rob. Understood.
Originally posted by Rob Tucker
I prefer to let it slid and not wander further down that path.... unless it can be directly related to Hawaii.
Assume the best and ask questions.
Punaweb moderator
RE: The Great Spirit - Punatic007 - 09-22-2015
Just to briefly answer your question....
Lodestone do your homework, Zionist extremists with an agenda, not Jews own our media. And yes it directly affects everyone here in Puna everyday as the media controls the narrative of what we often discuss and think about. Jews in Israel protest against the Zionists but you won't see that on the media except youtube which they don't control at present. Do a search for Jews against Zionist extremists on youtube.
There's been an incredible amount of manipulation and programming in our media, we are taught it's a very sensitive subject and you can't go there. See how we got shut down here quickly?
RE: The Great Spirit - Lodestone - 09-22-2015
Oh, OK. For a minute there, I wasn't sure whether or not you were a member of the lunatic fringe. Thanks for clarifying!