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RE: Hawaii residents want pesticide alert!! - leilanidude - 04-30-2018
Lastly I have dosed myself pretty good a couple of times by accident and experienced no noticeable effects.. I hope I don't get kidney disease later in life but it is a common human foible to mix and match such things: for example if a lifetime of low level exposure will cause cancer then the stuff is bad and a single acute exposure must logically have horrible consequences like vomiting blood exorcist-style. This does not in fact logically follow. All the evidence suggesting a correlation between round-up exposure and kidney disease say nothing about symptoms of short term exposure if there even are any, and none of the literature that I am aware of call out those symptoms. I therefor suspect that the symptoms were from something else.
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I general, I am Roundup supporter, but...
If the cat was sprayed, it would have have licked itself repeatedly. I assume you never licked your skin after spraying yourself? I have also sprayed myself with Roundup, many times, but I diddn't lick myself. I washed it off with a lot of water. A cat, being much smaller (15x-20x smaller?) would need much less of a dose to have an ill effect.
RE: Hawaii residents want pesticide alert!! - snorkle - 04-30-2018
Pesticides are completely harmless. Disregard caution labels printed on the containers and remember that only the outside of the plant is sprayed and its not like the plants absorb any of that stuff. Also keep in mind that our organs filter out any bad stuff.
RE: Hawaii residents want pesticide alert!! - glinda - 04-30-2018
quote:Have you ever considered being a label writer? Surely Monsanto has a job waiting just for you. Really, you are that good!
Originally posted by snorkle
Pesticides are completely harmless...
RE: Hawaii residents want pesticide alert!! - My 2 cents - 04-30-2018
"Glinda, I sympathize with peoples genuine desires to protect the environment and their families. I think some people just aren't qualified to rationally access the best way to achieve this goal."
Some people prefer to err on the side of caution. The bill (remember the bill? This topic is about the bill) is not about discontinuing Roundup use or pulling Roundup treated products off the shelves or anything of that nature. It's about notifying the public in advance of the spraying so that people who don't know which side to believe can simply avoid the area IF THEY WANT TO. In today's digital world this can be easily and cheaply done, yet the Dept. of Ag says it will require additional staff and burn through funds, and we spend our time on a tangential discussion about whether it's safe or not, hence the people not knowing who to believe. To me it seems reasonable to have the notice given so that people can either ignore it or take the action of their choice. Why the resistance to this? Why does the topic keep switching tracks and avoiding the very simple content of the bill?
RE: Hawaii residents want pesticide alert!! - leilanidude - 04-30-2018
Why does the topic keep switching tracks and avoiding the very simple content of the bill?
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Because. Government.
This will simply end up costing us taxpayers MORE, for something that has no real merit.
RE: Hawaii residents want pesticide alert!! - rainyjim - 04-30-2018
M2C, also the notification is for use of restricted use pesticides - which glyphosate (round up) is not.
RE: Hawaii residents want pesticide alert!! - kalakoa - 04-30-2018
notifying the public in advance of the spraying
What is the value of notification where the area cannot be avoided?
Will people not drive to Hilo when the shoulders are being sprayed?
Will school close for the day to avoid exposing the children?
RE: Hawaii residents want pesticide alert!! - ElysianWort - 04-30-2018
THE TIMELINE
RoundUp Glyphosate Litigation Update
1974
Monsato registers a patent for the exclusive use of glyphosate, which is marketed as RoundUp.
1984
Monsanto, along with other chemical companies who made the nerve gas Agent Orange agree to pay $180 million to veterans alleging serious health problems in order to resolve years of litigation.
1985
The EPA initially classifies glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup, as a carcinogen (causing cancer). However, the agency changes their position in 1991.
1996
New York State Attorney General files suit against Monsanto, charging that their marketing of RoundUp in the state as “safer than table salt” and “practically non-toxic” is false and misleading.
1
FEB 2015
In anticipation of IARC report linking RoundUp to cancer, Monsanto executives discuss funding their own studies to refute the claims, even suggesting they write the studies themselves and have scientists sign off on them.
20
MAR 2015
The World Health Organization’s International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) publishes a wide-ranging review of independent studies, concluding that glyphosate in RoundUp “probably” contributes to cancer in humans.
28
APR 2015
Internal Monsanto documents ordered unsealed by a federal judge show a conversation between company executives and EPA Cancer Assessment Review Committee chairman Jess Rowland about rising cancer concerns for RoundUp, in which Rowland states “If I can kill this I should get a medal.”
26
FEB 2016
A study from France concludes that the inert (inactive) ingredients contained in RoundUp are also toxic, even when not combined with glyphosate.
3
OCT 2016
Judicial Panel on Multidistrict Litigation consolidates federal cases alleging lymphoma from RoundUp to the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California under Judge Vince Chhabria. The case is known as MDL 2741 - IN RE: Roundup Products Liability Litigation.
1
MAR 2017
US District Judge Vince Chhabria orders the disclosure of sealed Internal Monsanto documents from 2015 showing the company’s attempts to influence health warnings and collude with members of the EPA to bury cancer concerns for RoundUp.
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MAR 2017
Panel of 14 health and chemical experts pens essay to the Journal of Epidemiology and Human Health calling for new studies on the health risks of glyphosate since its use and chances of human exposure have skyrocketed.
RE: Hawaii residents want pesticide alert!! - ElysianWort - 04-30-2018
Yeah it's safe. lol
How about the February 2016 discover from above.
So a study from France shows even the inert ingredients in Roundup are toxic. Nah, scientist from France don't know anything. lol!
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2016/05/31/roundup-inert-ingredients.aspx
RE: Hawaii residents want pesticide alert!! - ElysianWort - 04-30-2018
Yeah these herbicides can't affect living things (non-plants). My whole theory, (yes just a theory), that a toxin designed to kill plants cannot be beneficial in any way to our bodies, yeah, that's complete drivel. :p
According to the Intercept, one of the lawsuits states, "Monsanto 'knew or should have known that Roundup is more toxic than glyphosate alone and that safety studies of Roundup, Roundup's adjuvants and 'inert' ingredients' were necessary."1
Inert Ingredients in Glyphosate-Based Herbicides Are Toxic to Living Cells
Most studies looking into glyphosate toxicity have only studied glyphosate and its toxic breakdown product, aminomethylphosphonic acid (AMPA), even though the presence of "inactive" compounds are likely amplifying glyphosate's toxic effects.
A 2012 study revealed that ingredients such as solvents, preservatives, surfactants and other added substances are anything but "inactive." They can, and oftentimes do, contribute to a product's toxicity in a synergistic manner — even if they're non-toxic in isolation.
Certain adjuvants in glyphosate-based herbicides were also found to be "active principles of human cell toxicity," adding to the hazards inherent with glyphosate.