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RE: Largest Price increase you have seen ? - Rob Tucker - 03-01-2022
Best bet would be to invest in a solar powered charging system at home. That would effectively be like having your own oil well at home.
RE: Largest Price increase you have seen ? - kalakoa - 03-01-2022
Official MPGe rate: 1 gallon gas == 33.7KWh. At the official (retail permitted residential) rate of $0.42/KWh that's equivalent to $14.15/gallon. Feel free to argue about the numbers, but it's hard to "adjust" a 3:1 ratio (soon to be 2:1 if we get that Ukraine gas price spike) into something sane. The only way to make it practical is to charge at home from solar panels which cost more than a nice used Tacoma.
Then there's the fact that "existence" of charging stations is not the same as "availability". If the charger is working, and nobody else is using it, and you're pre-registered with its payment network (there are several), and it's a "Level 3" that can charge your batteries in an hour or two, then great, electric cars are wonderful.
If you decided on a Tesla, don't forget to order the $600 adapter that lets you use non-Tesla chargers.
If you pre-ordered an F150 Lightning, the base model ($40K) has a range of 230 miles, barely enough for a Costco run from Pahoa.
I believe in the technology and I think the vehicles are neat. They're just not necessarily practical everywhere.
RE: Largest Price increase you have seen ? - kander - 03-01-2022
there is nothing green about electric cars. Burn fuel someplace else to power the car, even if solar the carbon footprint of electrics is 4 times the carbon footprint of a regular takes to manufacture and drive over 4 years.
For now electrics are not paying road tax, wait till they get the per mile charges figured out.
RE: Largest Price increase you have seen ? - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 03-01-2022
From one of our great grandparents posting on PunaCoconutWireless 100 years ago:
Tarnation! Only a fool would buy one of those noisy, smoky, smelly horseless carriages! With my horse I can make more horses when I need another one! You’d be an idiot to buy a Ford, then have to buy another Ford 5 or 10 years later, and then another Ford… for the rest of my life? And drive somewhere just so I can buy gasoline (spend even more money) to drive somewhere else? My horse eats at home. For free!
For example. What if I ride horse up to my friend Kimo in Volcano. No gas station! Horse can “fill up” anywhere along the way, let’s me know when he’s hungry. Auto has some newfangled thing called “gage” a stick you put into a hole in gas tank to see what’s left. If I forget to look and run out of gasoline on the way home from Kimo’s then what? My horse don’t ever make me walk.
Did I mention gasoline is HIGHLY EXPLOSIVE!!! Ford wants you to sit on top of what can only be called a moveable bomb. My horses have NEVER blowed up while I’m riding them!
RE: Largest Price increase you have seen ? - kalakoa - 03-01-2022
An electric car charged on a renewable grid at a price around $0.12/KWh is cost effective and green, but that's not Hawaii.
If "they" want to charge "road usage fee" to make up for the lack of gas tax .... then the chargers need to be exempt from GET and other taxes. Hawaii won't do this, because taxing people multiple times is an important part of our economy.
I expect the per-mile tax to be implemented in a way that creates surveillance data, full realtime GPS trip history accessible by law enforcement.
RE: Largest Price increase you have seen ? - kander - 03-01-2022
Agreed, Tracking and surveillance data will be a standard. But still they are not green by any means. Strip mining and all the pollution from that, The energy used to extract and refine rare earth materials push the carbon footprint far beyond what a regular car takes including the gas a regular car burns over its 4 year lifespan. But the smug feeling they provide for many users far exceeds any environmental harm they create. Its a lot like the people who buy the latest Iphone/android etc, knowing full well the slave labor conditions that necessitate their construction for profits. were all guilty of supporting slavery.
As more and more electrics come online, its going to require more and more coal fired or in the case of Hawaii, fuel oil generator plants because most cars will be charged in the evening after work. Its going to be ok though, they will hide the ugly power plants by making smoke stacks look like pine trees. lol.
RE: Largest Price increase you have seen ? - kalakoa - 03-01-2022
I didn't realize people replaced their cars every 4 years.
Fossil fuel extraction and refinery isn't "emissions-free" either. Pick your poison.
I would rather walk or ride a bicycle, but County has decided on a "drive to Hilo for everything" strategy, so it's really just a matter of what I can afford to burn in my car. Gas, diesel, or bunker fuel that I access remotely via the power grid. None of this is green, even before factoring in the (environmental, monetary, social) cost of burning fossil fuel to import everything to Hilo.
TL;DR Electric vehicles are nothing more than fancy virtue signalling.
RE: Largest Price increase you have seen ? - My 2 cents - 03-01-2022
The answer is simple. We just have to become a nocturnal society so that we can all sleep while our cars are (solar) charging.
RE: Largest Price increase you have seen ? - eightfingers2.0 - 03-01-2022
What happens on rainy days?
RE: Largest Price increase you have seen ? - kander - 03-01-2022
(03-01-2022, 08:19 PM)kalakoa Wrote: I didn't realize people replaced their cars every 4 years.
on average, necessity if you own an electric car. A person may squeak a few more years out of one, All the cars they make these days are maintenance cost nightmares.
Higher price, Lower quality = Return customers, because most people wont/cant walk or ride a bike.