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RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - Obie - 01-13-2025
"the larger unrestricted 8.4k website."
The moderators will not allow any more posts about the original subject.
My opinion is that 421J applies to HPPOA and when fully implemented will end these law suits.
I was banned from the 3.1k Facebook group by the admin who took exception to me posting court information about a former HPPOA board member who was a friend of the admin.
I am now finished with this entire subject and await the upcoming trial which will be a year of two from now.
"The top two HPPOA Board members Failure to perform their fiduciary duty."
Are you a judge ?
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - Punatang - 01-13-2025
I think national politics could save Punaweb.
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 01-13-2025
national politics could save Punaweb.
Or some perspective.
The amount could be $5, $2, one cent. Whatever amount is TAKEN is wrong, even for a good cause.
Really?
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - HiloJulie - 01-13-2025
(01-12-2025, 11:00 PM)Patricia Wrote: There was, is a better way to fund non-road projects.
I’d seriously love to hear what those better ways were and are. And I am serious. Please don’t assume anything other than this being a genuine request to hear what other ways could have been employed in this issue as well as any other “non-road projects.”
(01-13-2025, 12:44 AM)Paddleman Wrote: She is in excellent standing with the California Bar unlike one of the HPPOA Board members. She is NOT representing herself as a unlicensed Attorney in Hawaii but as a private citizen and HPP property owner just like yourself. You were also informed that this issue was raised in Court before the Judge at the very first hearing. He agreed and approved her representing herself as a private citizen and HPP property owner. Also NOBODY talked her into filing this lawsuit.
It also includes…
As anyone is, the plaintiff is entitled to file any lawsuit they desire.
However, and to be really clear, her lawsuit also specifies “reasonable attorneys’ fees, costs and other expenses of litigation.”
When representing oneself, "In pro per" (or also “pro se") very rarely, if ever can that person be able to collect attorneys’ fees – even if they are an attorney, and generally, when one represents themselves and adds attorneys’ fees to the list of demands, the judge does not look upon that favorably and will often times issue a flat out rebuke to the pro se litigant over such demands - and will be especially peeved if the person representing themself is indeed an attorney.
That being said, and not to cause any perceived argument, but there is a saying about the type of client a person who represents themselves has…
I wish her well on her legal pursuits.
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - Paddleman - 01-13-2025
(01-13-2025, 01:14 AM)Obie Wrote: "the larger unrestricted 8.4k website."Interesting I've never had any problems with the 8.4k site and its unfortunate that you are banned on the 3.1k site. Now I understand and see why you are only posting on the 51 member site of Patricia's. You are entitled to your opinion about 421J ending these lawsuits, but as I pointed out to you in your previous posts both on the 51 member site and here, 421J is just a part of the lawsuit so NO it will not end these lawsuits as you think it will. And if your interpretation or someone has told you that they are incorrect. The lawsuit INCLUDES 421J and the other things spelled out to you above in your original post and will still part of the lawsuit even if 421J is resolved by the Judge/Jury. Also it has no bearing on a Federal lawsuit...
The moderators will not allow any more posts about the original subject.
My opinion is that 421J applies to HPPOA and when fully implemented will end these law suits.
I was banned from the 3.1k Facebook group by the admin who took exception to me posting court information about a former HPPOA board member who was a friend of the admin.
I am now finished with this entire subject and await the upcoming trial which will be a year of two from now.
"The top two HPPOA Board members Failure to perform their fiduciary duty."
Are you a judge ?
NO I AM NOT A JUDGE and I am not quite sure why you think that matters. I am only providing accurate, verifiable information that is included in the original Court filing and additional filings from HPPOA's Attorneys and the other parties. All of this information is fully accessible on the eCourt Hawaii State judiciary website accessible by anyone. This information is all available for a fee and that is why I post them most of the time so that others don't need to spend their own money. The Watumull's absolutely do not care about anything to do with 412J. As I've explained to you should 421J be settled it does NOT STOP the lawsuits as the other parts and those that are party to the lawsuit are still actively involved in the remaining parts of the lawsuit This is all moving through the Court system and YES there is the SCHEDULING MEETING scheduled for February 14, 2025 now that the Watamulls are involved in the lawsuit and that is specifically why the original Settlement Conference that was originally set for January 10, 2025 was extended to allow the Watamulls to become involved.
But again you are entitled to believe what you want to believe, but good luck in that holding true.
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - Patricia - 01-13-2025
Hey, Paddleman, good info. Hopefully others will look up and research for themselves and not just take Obie's word, my word or your word.
Yes, Mr. O. The court cases are on e-court kokua BUT to see them and read them people have to pay for them (HPPOA doesn't want to share). So I have attached some of the docs to my website, if others care to read. (I fixed the domain.) Eventually I will add more.
https://hppowners.com/
And HiloJulie, thank you. I would love to discuss options for funding non-road projects. If you can be patient though, that would be much appreciated. My day has kind of caught up with me and I still have a bunch to do.
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - TomK - 01-13-2025
Patricia - despite a couple of requests, you haven't answered whether you've called the police about stalking charges. I now believe all you want is attention. I don't understand why, but I can't think of other reasons. Yes, MyManao is on his misogynistic quest again; that was interesting to witness, but watching a mission poster at work is upsetting and transfixing at the same time.
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - Durian Fiend - 01-13-2025
(01-13-2025, 02:32 AM)HereOnThePrimalEdge Wrote: national politics could save Punaweb.
Or some perspective.
The amount could be $5, $2, one cent. Whatever amount is TAKEN is wrong, even for a good cause.
Really?
I see this as making a whole lot of trouble over essentially nothing. A win on this battle would be a perfect example of a pyrrhic victory. A stated "no more than 5% shall be used for other causes" that's spent on mailboxes for residents is worthy of a lawsuit?
No, not really.
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - kalakoa - 01-13-2025
A stated "no more than 5% shall be used for other causes" that's spent on mailboxes for residents is worthy of a lawsuit?
How much is already being spent on lawsuits? Is this "acceptable" because it's an "operating expense" rather than a "fixed capital expenditure"? How much longer will residents be held captive by the circus parade?
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 01-13-2025
How much is already being spent on lawsuits?
This is a good question for those bringing the lawsuits. If they lose, do they plan on reimbursing HPP residents for the money spent on defending the lawsuits?