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RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - kalakoa - 01-23-2020
Does the TMT project have valid permits for both locations, or not?
They don't have both permits and approvals -- lack of approval for Mauna Kea has been adequately demonstrated; they have only been threatened with lack of approval in Puntagorda.
What does a wildfire have to do with anything TMT related?
It's kind of like when the "protectors" claim TMT will desecrate the land ... and then leave their trash behind.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - Guest - 01-23-2020
What? Between you and Edge I think the entire TMT issue has been downgraded to delusional silliness. But then, what would I know?
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - kalakoa - 01-23-2020
the entire TMT issue has been downgraded to delusional silliness
No, that would be an upgrade.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 01-23-2020
But then, what would I know?
Sometimes I wonder too.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - PaulW - 01-23-2020
"But then, what would I know?"
Self-awareness: The Quickening.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - TomK - 01-23-2020
"Also, over crowding may be an issue here as Both proposed TMT sites have several other large working telescopes on those needed mountain tops."
You're obviously not aware that the TMT site on Mauna Kea is quite a long way from the other observatories. Over-crowding is not an issue.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - TomK - 01-23-2020
Obie,
"According to the latest news I can find all of the permits are not in place to build in the Canary Islands.
TMT Vice President Gordon Squires confirmed to the Tribune-Herald that a land concession deal was reached between TMT and Puntagorda, but added more permits and approvals are required before any construction could begin.
https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2019/11/20/hawaii-news/land-agreement-reached-between-tmt-canary-islands/"
It's all very confusing, because on the same date there was this:
"If the Thirty Meter Telescope doesn’t get built in Hawaii, it will still get built.
According to TMT Vice President Gordon Squires, all of the necessary permitting for the telescope to get built on the island of La Palma in Spain. “We are very pleased and grateful that the permits have been granted in La Palma,” Squires said. “Mauna Kea remains the preferred site for TMT, but this is an essential step in the process for developing our ‘plan B,’ should it not be possible to build TMT in Hawaii. At this moment, there is no date set for determining our next steps for constructing TMT.”"
https://www.khon2.com/top-stories/plan-b-site-for-tmt-granted-all-necessary-permits/
My default position is to never believe what I read in the Trib, but admit I'm unclear whether the TMT has all the permits for La Palma. Last I heard they did. As for Mauna Kea, there's no confusion, the TMT has the permits to start construction. It's just that they haven't been able to.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - Guest - 01-24-2020
TomK,
What I meant by over-crowded on both proposed TMT sites was the number of telescopes. There might be a limit or restriction to how many telescopes can be built on these TMT proposed sites. Not sure if Mauna Kea has a limit or restriction but Some here have stated that Mauna Kea already has 13-24 working telescopes built atop the mountain. Also, read that the TMT proposed site in the Canary Islands already has over 20 other telescopes as well.
Also, Maybe some bad planning or Timing by the TMT project if those two proposed sites already have their limit of telescopes. Like fishing in many areas, you don't want to exceed your limit or you are subject to fines and penalties.
The TMT project may only be one more telescope but it's the biggest one yet for both these proposed TMT sites. The TMT project may also bring more foot and vehicle traffic with it.
Was the increase of foot and vehicle traffic considered in the EIS report?
Also, the TMT project may need and use more Island resources like water and Electricity than the other telescopes. Helco, PGV, UHH University and Walmart may be a few who stand to lose more than the Keiki if this TMT project leaves the state of Hawaii.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - MarkP - 01-24-2020
Dreamcatcher88:
All that has been addressed already. The only thing stopping construction is the protesters' lack of respect for the law and our elected officials' lack of a spine.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - Guest - 01-24-2020
MarkP, Mahalo and good morning.
Your statement sounds very one sided and jaded. Assuming that the current land lease that expire's in 2033 is "extended". The TMT project may carry a 75 year+ lifespan which puts it into the 21st century.
Where are the Hawaiian people living in the 21st century?
How many Hawaiians will be living in the 21st century?
PS. Like promised, The TMT project has brought plenty to the Big Island potluck. This powerful stand by thousands of peaceful protectors has been inspirational and educational at the same time for many around the world. I hope the Hawaiian people are better off in the 21st century than they were in the 20th century.