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RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - TomK - 09-10-2020
Usual hypocrisy. Some want Hawaiian independence but still need the USPS.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - randomq - 09-10-2020
Pretty sure that mailbox is not in service.
I think the county/state are being hypocrites and selectively enforcing the laws, but as long as the access road stays open I'm not too concerned about squatters on DHHL land...
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - kalakoa - 09-10-2020
Haven't you heard? Nothing makes as much money as tourism, so there's just no need to bother doing anything that isn't tourism.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 08-07-2021
Four TMT protestors were found not guilty of blocking the Mauna Kea Access Road because:
“Evidence that Maunakea Access Road was closed or restricted to the public, coupled with no permits, equals no obstruction,” Laubach said. “There would be no unreasonable inconvenience or hazard.”
https://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/2021/08/06/hawaii-news/hilo-judge-finds-4-kupuna-tmt-protesters-not-guilty/
Question:
Who closed or restricted Mauna Kea Access Road?
Perhaps the judge sitting in an air conditioned courtroom at sea level missed the part about telescope workers who were inconveniently stopped for identification by protestors with no legal right to stop them or ask for ID, and then prevented or delayed them from conducting maintenance on the observatories?
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - kalakoa - 08-07-2021
no permits, equals no obstruction
Precedent?
"Officer, given that my safety check is expired, my car shouldn't even be here in the first place, therefore I couldn't have been speeding."
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - eightfingers2.0 - 08-07-2021
I thought the state granted all the necessary permits a few years ago. Maybe these are county permits?
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - kalakoa - 08-07-2021
Permits to move an oversize vehicle are probably County, but could also be State (Saddle is an actual State highway; the rest are really County despite their State Route numbers).
In any case, there's a valuable lesson here: never assume you have "all" the permits that are "required".
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 08-08-2021
never assume you have "all" the permits that are "required".
I would even take it a step further.
For some:
never assume you have "all" the “permits” that are "required".
For others:
never assume you need any legal documentation for anything. Even to stop cars and ask for ID.
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - ChunksterK - 08-08-2021
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - George Orwell
Is Hawaii an animal farm or a banana republic? Or both?
RE: TMT construction begins Monday 15 July - AaronM - 08-08-2021
Mwah ha ha. A little from column A & a little from column B.