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RE: Hawaiian Acres Problems - kalakoa - 03-24-2015
if you cant physically do the work, join HARC for $60.00 a year and let them work for you!
If I do the work, it will be performed on a road of my choosing, on such schedule as I deem appropriate.
If I join HARC, they will work on some road they choose, if and when they decide to bother.
Why, it's almost exactly like the County FTR: everyone pays at the pump, but the roads in Puna still suck.
RE: Hawaiian Acres Problems - wolverine2 - 03-24-2015
wow im amazed that no one here realizes or understands what it takes and costs to build a road, filling the holes with loose gravel is a stop gap measure , repeat this mantra , ( high in the middle ! lower on both sides , good drainage ,! ) its simple folks , this cant be done with a grader and a tractor box blade !
dot web site estimates approx. 1,ooo,ooo per mile ! that's one million dollars per mile - for you sock puppets
RE: Hawaiian Acres Problems - wallflower - 03-24-2015
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Originally posted by wolverine2
it shouldn't be a county issue at all . we all have the ability as an association , to provide for our own infrastructure , either we go in that direction or we continue to squabble like children , the choice is up to us after all ! and besides , I don't think anyone actually wants sidewalks and gutters . I think most folks would be happy with a slightly better roads each and every year so that the worst is cared for first , and smooth where possible !
to this end I suggest the idea that as the dozier and equipment contractors that do come into the acres , and there's not that many , what if we ( instead of making it as difficult as possible for them to make a living also , and service the actual needs of the acres, )
( what if we agreed with the contractors !) as long as they leave the roads , that they have to drive their equipment on , and frontage work they have done on the commonly owned road system , in better condition than it was when they got there , placing at least some of the work that could be accomplished this way . iv spoken to several of the local dozier guys , they are all friendly and I know they wouldn't mind putting in a couple free hours of dozier or gravel or culvert or whatever ! if they could have free access to the roads without all the hassles of restrictions demanded by the minority they would be way happy to do the couple hours on their way in or out . after all we all know that driving the d9 down any of the roads in Hawaiian acres could not possibly hurt any part of our high quality roads ! this little bit would add up in no time and as I stated , I know they would agree to this .
Have you tried contacting HARC with your suggestions? I would email them, or facebook them, or even go to the meeting this Sunday at 2.
RE: Hawaiian Acres Problems - UnicornKazoo - 03-24-2015
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Originally posted by kalakoa
If I join HARC, they will work on some road they choose, if and when they decide to bother.
With their nasa money-i don't understand why they havent coordinated four lane freeways throughout the acres-it would be the best use of the trillions of rubies they've set their thrones upon. with good people like you neglecting their duty to the road that they own and the community that they belong to, we should be stuck in the middle ages forever-best thing in my opinion!
RE: Hawaiian Acres Problems - wallflower - 03-24-2015
[quote]Originally posted by Lee M-S
Millions? from where? to raise $1 million, you would need 16,667 people to pay their annual road dues of $60.
There are 4,008 lots. If EVERYBODY paid their road dues every year, it would take more than 4 years to raise even $1 million.
And not even nearly everybody pays their dues--I suspect they actually collect more like $60,000 per year.
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This is the link to the financial statements for all of 2014. It does not look like they have that much to work with. I know a load of rock is at least $400, and that does not go far at all. I got a newsletter a few months ago and they said only 13% pay dues? That is crazy to expect good roads with so little funding.
http://www.hawaiianacresroads.org/financials/
RE: Hawaiian Acres Problems - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 03-24-2015
butthurt some of u are
Not the answer to the sound of one hand clapping, but it's certainly a symptom of one shock working. And three gravel road-busted shocks & struts that need replacement.
RE: Hawaiian Acres Problems - kalakoa - 03-24-2015
we should be stuck in the middle ages forever
Again: the subdivisions need to be allowed to decide and move on, and County needs to support this with a change-of-zone to the new types listed below. I don't mind living in the middle ages, I believe people should be free to choose, and the argument is doing nothing to solve any of the problems.
AW: Ag Wild West, unpermitted structures tolerated, no road maintenance
ALR: Ag Low-Density Residential, permits required for habitation, unpermitted ag structures tolerated, some road maintenance
AHR: Ag High-Density Residential, permits required for all structures, roads maintained, R-style norms for noise and similar issues
Hawaiian Acres would be AW (as in "too bad for you"), the micro-lot subdivisions (Nanavale, Ainaloa, etc) would be AHR, and the rest would be ALR.
Then we can all move on to the much more interesting subject "where did my tax dollars go and why can't I drive there in a Honda Civic?"
RE: Hawaiian Acres Problems - UnicornKazoo - 03-24-2015
kalakoa:
Again: the subdivisions need to be allowed to decide and move on, and County needs to support this with a change-of-zone to the new types listed below. I don't mind living in the middle ages, I believe people should be free to choose, and the argument is doing nothing to solve any of the problems.
AW: Ag Wild West, unpermitted structures tolerated, no road maintenance
ALR: Ag Low-Density Residential, permits required for habitation, unpermitted ag structures tolerated, some road maintenance
AHR: Ag High-Density Residential, permits required for all structures, roads maintained, R-style norms for noise and similar issues
Again: the middle ages are the best thing-in my opinion. what an incredible set of options youve given us! oh king kalakoa please tell me more about everything youll allow us to do-instead of actually doing anything yourself!
RE: Hawaiian Acres Problems - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 03-24-2015
AW: Ag Wild West, unpermitted structures tolerated, no road maintenance
I would only add a sheriff and deputy. For when the small, unpermitted town springs up around the unlicensed saloon, to keep all of those ruby hunters entertained into the wee hours of the night.
RE: Hawaiian Acres Problems - UnicornKazoo - 03-24-2015
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Originally posted by HereOnThePrimalEdge
AW: Ag Wild West, unpermitted structures tolerated, no road maintenance
I would only add a sheriff and deputy. For when the small, unpermitted town springs up around the unlicensed saloon, to keep all of those ruby hunters entertained into the wee hours of the night.
This! and don't forget the pizza joint/bordello