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RE: Another take on TMT - Aggrieved native Hawaiians - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 05-12-2019
The fight is in the wrong place.
According to the video, about Pohakuloa, it is the most sacred place in the islands. Moanike’ala Akaka of the Quixotic Quest to romance The Singularity on Mauna Kea expresses a few more observations and musings in this video as well.
RE: Another take on TMT - Aggrieved native Hawaiians - randomq - 05-12-2019
There are a lot of "most sacred" places!
RE: Another take on TMT - Aggrieved native Hawaiians - TomK - 05-12-2019
Interesting article plus comments:
"Astronomy Led Canoe Explorers To Hawaii’s Shores"
https://www.civilbeat.org/2019/05/astronomy-led-canoe-explorers-to-hawaiis-shores/
"Kamehameha asked Vancouver to consider using another part of the bay for his observatory, but the sweet potato field was the best location. Kamehameha assembled his priests and after serious discussion Vancouver was granted permission to once again use the sweet potato field to locate his observatory.
Here is Hawaii’s first example of a ranking alii, vested deeply in his religion and traditions, siding with the cause of science. For the next 100 years Hawaiians would be introduced to astronomy and take part in a scientific project to scale the solar system."
RE: Another take on TMT - Aggrieved native Hawaiians - TomK - 05-14-2019
In this thread:
http://www.punaweb.org/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22533&whichpage=54
I posted a link to a document written by astronomers that is a first attempt to describe astronomical literacy. Unfortunately, I suspect an addendum will be needed for a few people in Puna and Hawaii:
* Observatories don't affect the water table;
* Neither do they spy on the Middle East;
* They also don't launch satellites;
* They aren't run by international businessmen;
* The observatories have not prevented people from carrying out their religious practices on MK and in fact have helped them do so;
* The observatories on MK are all different, so look at things in different ways;
* That means the TMT can't do what the EHT did, but the EHT can't do what the TMT will do;
* The TMT is not being built on burial grounds;
* The TMT will not wipe out the Wekiu bug;
* The MK observatories do not carry out observations for the military;
* If the TMT isn't built here, then sorry, but you can't use the 1.4 billion dollars on another project in Hawaii;
* Astronomers aren't a bunch of rich people having fun.
I'm sure I've missed out a whole bunch of stuff, but it's a start.
RE: Another take on TMT - Aggrieved native Hawaiians - MarkD - 05-15-2019
Is this the list of offenses that gypsy compiled 2 years ago?
RE: Another take on TMT - Aggrieved native Hawaiians - TomK - 05-15-2019
No.
RE: Another take on TMT - Aggrieved native Hawaiians - SBH - 05-15-2019
* Astronomers aren't a bunch of rich people having fun.
Ah ha, we know you astronomers had fun at that party at the EAO office with the black hole cake!
RE: Another take on TMT - Aggrieved native Hawaiians - TomK - 05-15-2019
Even astronomers are sometimes allowed to have fun!
RE: Another take on TMT - Aggrieved native Hawaiians - TomK - 05-15-2019
3.6% of graduating UH Manoa students protest the TMT
That's pretty much it.
https://www.kitv.com/story/40476578/for-some-graduates-and-faculty-the-uh-manoa-graduation-turned-into-a-silent-protest
RE: Another take on TMT - Aggrieved native Hawaiians - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 05-16-2019
3.6% of graduating UH Manoa students protest the TMT
Name something, anything.
There’s a good chance at least 3.6% of the population are against it.