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RE: Your Favorite Subdivision! - Lucy - 09-22-2006
Thank you both John and John for your answers, I appreciate it.
)What is a Liber number?
I know that RE and people can get the lots mixed up on what lot is in what subdivision. It is a lot of territory and so many facts to remember besides that. We are all just human.
I would prefer to know for certain whether a property had certain restrictions/conditions to meet before signing on the dotted line and passing money over to escrow. We have the concern of our pets that we would want to make sure fit into the community. No roosters though! Might like some laying hens though, later on too.
An example: Our neighborhood association here has some wacky restrictions that do not name anything about the color that you can paint your house. So the HOA takes it upon themselves to have you fill out a form with the paint samples and take it to ever neighbor whom your lot touches and also ones that are across the street and get their approval and signatures.
The same goes for the yard shrubbery changes, they thought of a way so that you have to comply with their idea of a yard. Meaning mostly grass in the front yard, even though every year we are on severe water restrictions, then the city gives us instructions on how to let it brown out and not die, hopefully. I don't understand their logic considering that we are also told by the water company to plant other plants that are more suitable for our climate. The annual meeting is next week, so I will bring that up, if they let us speak at all.
I have found lots of fuzzy thinking and treatment by the HOA over the years to the folks who live here. Depends so much on who is the one to be the president it seems. You have to really know and trust them, to elect them. There have been lawsuits and large amounts of money paid out to attorneys over things that should not have happened, IMO. One was our neighbor the Prez. did not want subdivisions going in around us on other large plats of land. One was over garden implement/tool storage sheds in the yards, either too large or being seen from the street.
I have liked where we didn't live in an association better before here. Looking at some of the Puna neighborhoods though that can still be a problem. They can still be kinda rough.
<I've tried to get a list of lots that are Aina Pua and not Tiki Gardens as well as a copy of the CC&Rs>
That would be great if there were an effort made to get those by some of the members of the list. I think Nancy Fryhover lived in Tiki and some other gentleman (Toucano) who posts on here in Aina Pua. You never know when you live in the subdivision, who you may be able to run across, who has the correct info. that you can count on that is written up corectly.
Aloha,
Lucy
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Apparently, while there are no CC&R's for the subdivision, one owner who owned four lots drafted and recorded CC&R's for those four lots. I wouldn't have known that without the title report (and further getting a copy of the CC&R's by the recorded Liber number.)
John Rabi
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If you're dealing with a Realtor that works regularly in the area, they should know if there are CC&Rs.
On this side, Aina Pua is the really tough one, because I've tried to get a list of lots that are Aina Pua and not Tiki Gardens as well as a copy of the CC&Rs and its nearly impossible. Even escrow companies are clueless about this, despite Aina Pua being around for years.
You get a copy of the preliminary title report early on in escrow process. Good Realtors make a request to an escrow company for a "property profile" right when you get an accepted offer. That will often reveal CC&Rs even when the other Realtor may not have known it. Often, the escrow companies can get you the preliminary title report within a few days of the accepted offer, so its usually not an issue.
John Dirgo
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RE: Your Favorite Subdivision! - John S. Rabi - 09-22-2006
Lucy, you most likely will not know all the details before signing on the dotted line and giving money to escrow. However, there are contingencies in the DROA and you can freely walk away from the deal with your earnest money deposit in hand if you are not satisfied with the Title Report (and many other things that your trusted real estate agent will put in the contract to protect your interest.) BTW, nobody should give more than $1,000 earnest money deposit to open escrow. You should increase the deposit once all the contingencies are met though.
As to your other question, every document is recorded at the Bureau of Conveyences and have a registry number. When you see something indicated in the tile report that refers to a number you should request the numbered document too.
Aloha,
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RE: Your Favorite Subdivision! - David M - 09-22-2006
Liber number is a carry over from the days when legal documents (deeds/mortgages etc) were recorded on pages in a book, basically in the order received. Documents could then be identified by Liber & page. It was then pretty easy to cross index Book # (Liber#) and year, making it possible to search. I suspect some places are all computerized/modernized, but just a couple years ago, when my Dad passed, it was interesting to visit the county court house (in Maine) and do a document search pulling these rather large books off the shelves and thumbing through them.
David
Edit Added: When I first studied real estate, part of the law course was title searches. In those days, closings took place at financial institutions or even the RE brokers office. An abstract of a title search was provided by an attorney's office, but rarely was an attorney present for a residential transaction. It wasn't uncommon for a listing agent to do a cursory title search after taking a listing. Never heard of a thing called escrow company and title insurance was something we heard rich folk did.
Ninole Resident
Edited by - David M on 09/22/2006 20:12:07
RE: Your Favorite Subdivision! - Carolann R - 10-13-2006
Mella started this one a while back and got some really good input regarding favorite subdivisions!
Carrie
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RE: Your Favorite Subdivision! - Lucy - 10-14-2006
Thanks Carrie, for rooting it out for me I appeciate it!!!
Dave,
Thanks for your reply. I had not seen your reply yet about Liber numbers. That is so interesting, a bit of history too for us about you and the old ways that it used to be and how we knew it to be then or still in use in some ways.
Libe in German is Love, so the root word of love and er meaning the person or thing being bestowed with love, so that is all I could think of! HA I wondered how this could translate here.
Aloha,
Lucy
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RE: Your Favorite Subdivision! - mella l - 10-17-2006
Saw a realty ad for Lani Puna Gardens. Paved roads, one acre, county water! Does anyone on the forum live there or is anyone familiar with this sub division? Not far from Leilani from what I understand. Mahalo
mella l
RE: Your Favorite Subdivision! - JerryCarr - 10-17-2006
Aloha, Mella! I have visited Lanipuna on several occasions, and found it quite nice overall. There are some very nice homes in there, and the roads are indeed paved and in good shape. The only caution I would express would be the presence of very large invasive albezia trees on a number of the vacant lots which could fall on your home even if on somebody else's property. Lava hazard insurance issues would be similar to Leilani Estates, I presume, as would concerns about the geothermal plant. We did not find any noise from the plant to be obtrusive while visiting, but were only there an hour or so each time. I think John Dirgo has shown properties there, and knows more about this than I do.
Cheers,
Jerry
RE: Your Favorite Subdivision! - jdirgo - 10-17-2006
I've sold several properties in that area and Jerry's warnings about the albizia and the geothermal plant are good advice. I know people that live nearby and they don't complain about the geothermal plant, so maybe its not as bad as some people seem to think. It is near Leilani. Take the road to Pohoiki past Leilani Avenue. Just a little ways past there is Hinalo Street (both sides of Pohoiki Road). That's Lanipuna Gardens. And yep, they've got county water.
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RE: Your Favorite Subdivision! - Beachboy - 10-31-2006
can someone give me a quick rundown on these subdivisons,please?
I'm gonna buy, and I'm not sure which place If anyone could give me plus and minuses for these places I'd greatly appreciate it. Or even if you have a subdivision to recommend, that would be appeciated too!
1.) HPP
2.)Ainaloa
3.)Nanawale
RE: Your Favorite Subdivision! - jdirgo - 10-31-2006
In all those areas, its truly block-by-block dependent. Its impossible to make a blanket judgment about those areas. For example, I live in Nanawale in a great area of that subdivision. There's other areas of Nanawale that I wouldn't like to live in. There's great areas of HPP and Ainaloa and other areas that are not as nice.
John Dirgo, RA, ABR, e-PRO
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