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RE: Possible New Ag Restrictions For Roosters - MarkD - 03-16-2018
"How often is that law actually enforced?"
How often laws are enforced is a separate issue, a distraction. We can assert this about all sort of things.
The existence of the barking dog law shows there is a consensus regarding not disturbing your neighbors. This "Ag excuse" for making noise at night is getting on weak ground.
RE: Possible New Ag Restrictions For Roosters - kalakoa - 03-16-2018
How often laws are enforced is a separate issue, a distraction.
Point being: just because there's a law doesn't mean things will change. It's illegal to bring guns to school, right?
The existence of the barking dog law shows there is a consensus regarding not disturbing your neighbors.
For some value of "disturbing" and "neighbors", yes -- I suspect the "noisy dog" rules were created for the benefit of town dwellers on high-density R-zoned lots.
I maintain that some zoning types are simply not appropriate for some densities, such as when Ag zoning is applied to a 65x120 foot parcel. Why can't we just fix that?
RE: Possible New Ag Restrictions For Roosters - Kapoho Joe - 03-16-2018
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Originally posted by kalakoa
I maintain that some zoning types are simply not appropriate for some densities, such as when Ag zoning is applied to a 65x120 foot parcel. Why can't we just fix that?
Bingo! Enough of these 'gentleman farmer' lots that are zoned AG and barely have enough room to turn a tractor around in!
RE: Possible New Ag Restrictions For Roosters - Durian Fiend - 03-17-2018
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Originally posted by Kapoho Joe
Bingo! Enough of these 'gentleman farmer' lots that are zoned AG and barely have enough room to turn a tractor around in!
Seems like it'd be a lot more difficult to change the zoning, hence shutting down agricultural endeavors of all kinds, then it would be to require 75 feet away from the property lines for the freakin' roosters!
RE: Possible New Ag Restrictions For Roosters - My 2 cents - 03-17-2018
Seems like it'd be a lot more difficult to change the zoning, hence shutting down agricultural endeavors of all kinds, then it would be to require 75 feet away from the property lines for the freakin' roosters!
You're still not getting it. All current agricultural activities would be grandfathered in either way. Including rooster farms. No current ag activities would be shut down.
RE: Possible New Ag Restrictions For Roosters - MarkD - 03-17-2018
Agricultural activities result in agricultural outputs and products. What does a rooster farm produce?
RE: Possible New Ag Restrictions For Roosters - leilanidude - 03-17-2018
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Originally posted by MarkD
Agricultural activities result in agricultural outputs and products. What does a rooster farm produce?
Tree day boiled chicken? [
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RE: Possible New Ag Restrictions For Roosters - My 2 cents - 03-17-2018
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Originally posted by MarkD
Agricultural activities result in agricultural outputs and products. What does a rooster farm produce?
Roosters.
RE: Possible New Ag Restrictions For Roosters - MarkD - 03-17-2018
That requires hens. On some lots I see nothing but roosters. They don't produce roosters; they acquire them.
Let's acknowledge many of these "farms" are similar to a guy who has a bunch of show dogs, but is not a breeder. Pets.
RE: Possible New Ag Restrictions For Roosters - Durian Fiend - 03-18-2018
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Originally posted by My 2 cents
Seems like it'd be a lot more difficult to change the zoning, hence shutting down agricultural endeavors of all kinds, then it would be to require 75 feet away from the property lines for the freakin' roosters!
You're still not getting it. All current agricultural activities would be grandfathered in either way. Including rooster farms. No current ag activities would be shut down.
OK, so it does nothing to solve the current problems that prompted the proposed ordinance but does prevent future rooster farms, along with other more legitimate and innocuous agricultural ventures. I still say it'd be a more difficult proposition, and an inferior one too.
Someone asked about how often the dog noise laws are enforced. A friend of mine in Hawaiian Acres was successful in getting the Humane Society and police department to intervene when a new tenant neighbor moved in with dogs that barked at night. He was forced to work at shutting them up, and after a year of being "hounded" over this issue he decided to move away.