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RE: Control your EFFING DOGS! - Pacific_Snapper - 04-25-2008
I feel sorry for those living on "Planet of the K9s". But all dogs are local. You deal with dogs on your block. If your approach makes anyone on two legs uncomfortable, whether directly or indirectly, maybe you should consider other options. There are many organic "remedies" for bad dogs. Maybe slow and painful but who cares? Death is death. I'm not naming any secret ingredients here, 'cause I don't think it's something to share on a public forum.
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RE: Control your EFFING DOGS! - ohanamama - 04-25-2008
For those wondering how bad is it really?
I don't think dirk is exaggerating,
I can tell you you will hear the dogs at night - a bit down our street there is a home that must have at least 10 dogs, and when they go off, I think all of puna must know - the dogs are contained, but we all can hear and of course everyones dogs start in.Some nights are really bad... You will most likely step over pooin your yard from a stray - unless your home is completely fenced in ( and even then I wonder), If you go for a walk you will run into dogs not restrained in their yards- I now walk my dogs armed with a vinegar laced squirt gun - it works -
My neighbors dogs are in heat, so we have roving males running around especially at night...2am and 5am this morning....all the dogs in the hood bark bark bark.....
The only thing I haven't had the joy to experience is my trash gotten into...I wonder if it's because I have one of those big cans with wheels rented from the trash pickup people?
I'm sure everyones neighborhood is different, with more or less dog presence...all I can share is my area, 18th in HPP...but it seems pretty common.
I'm not afraid, but it can be irritating.
I also think that if we all lived on large ranches in a ranching community the rules would be different, however I'd bet that we'd all know each other and each others dogs.....Puna is going through growing pains, with more and more people coming in (guilty), when people's houses weren't so close I'm sure the dogs weren't such an issue. Puna's facilities have to catch up....they will -with support.
YurtGirl, Well said and I agree totally!!
So, who knows how to start the ball rolling? Who do we elect?
RE: Control your EFFING DOGS! - mgeary - 04-25-2008
quote:I'm in agreement with a lot of what's been said here about actually doing something about this kind of a dog problem, and even with some of the variety of ways to go about doing it. I have the weapons, I have the skills, and if the need ever arose (i.e. actual safety threat in my own yard), I wouldn't hesitate to shoot a dog.
Originally posted by JWFITZ
The suggestion that animal control is in a position to do anything about the issue currently is complete and utter crap.
However, just to understand the process, if I were to buy or obtain a trap on loan from the Animal Control, and actually trapped a dog, would the Animal Control not respond, take custody of the critter, and follow through with the citation process if the animal had a collar and a license, or destroy the animal if it was a stray? If so, I think that would be my method of choice.
Personally, and this is just a matter of judgement and taste (ha!) I'd not use poison baits, not on any moral grounds, but to avoid the possibility of poisoning an unintended critter, say, a wild pig who then somebody else then shot and ate, thus unintentionally poisoning a human being through tainted meat.Even if they only got sick, I wouldn't want somebody's mild liver damage on my conscience.
Likewise for the gun thing. It'd have to be a pretty extreme case for me to discharge a high-powered weapon in a rural or semi-rural area. I am proficient with a variety of handguns and long guns, but as I stated above, once the bullet leaves the muzzle, there is no guarantee it will end up where you thought it would.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Unintended consequences sometimes are worse than the original problem. See G. W. Bush for confirmation of those two theories.
Aloha! ;-)
RE: Control your EFFING DOGS! - kani-lehua - 04-25-2008
while this won't help with barking and agressive dogs, it will help with the ones that defecate and urinate on your plants.
http://www.lillymiller.com/worry_free.html#dogcatbird
malia paha o lohe aku
perhaps they will hear
RE: Control your EFFING DOGS! - aprild - 04-25-2008
I'm in the high desert of So Cal right now (fairly small town with a 'rural' environment) and I just found a pit bull in the easement behind my fenced backyard. I called Animal Control and they came within half an hour. Actually two trucks showed up. They knew the dog and they made sure it was back home before they stopped by. I'm impressed.
What would it take for BI to get on the ball? I have NEVER experienced this problem on Maui. Walking can be a bit harrowing though as truly scary looking dogs hurl themselves at their chain link fences when you pass by. That's frightening enough. I have never encountered a loose dog there. On Maui the problem for me is the dogs I see chained in their yards who are never off chain. So I don't think this is a 'Hawaii' problem per se. These are local neighborhoods, too. Feral roosters, now, that's a problem on Maui.
One thought: if dogs are eaten, then why is there a problem with strays? I would think this would pretty much take care of the problem much as money for aluminum solves the soda can problem.
Rural areas are not a panacea for dog problems: I mostly live on 90 acres in Northern California and I just experienced nearly 8 years of dog related problems involving two neighbors. I seriously considered shooting said dogs who came onto my property and harassed my dogs, often, 10 times a day. Just considered. I love animals, but I know many people wouldn't have hesitated after the first time or two. My own dogs finally took care of the problem when first one dog, then the other stuck their head through my deer fence. Sam grabbed the neck and Ruby got the snout. I had to pull them off by their tails. Those dogs never came by again. The neighbors had the gall to complain. Their dogs were deep into my property -- just my house, garden and about 8 acres are fenced. I had been telling them their dogs were on my property for 8 years. I felt badly for the dogs who were obviously left to their own devices and lonely. I could never keep my dogs in their fence, though, so I know how it is. My dogs never went on other people's property, though. I asked. If they had, I would have chained them when they weren't with me.
I am a big believer in calling my town government as often as it takes; attending town council meetings; getting petitions going; doing whatever it takes to make meaningful change happen. The squeaky wheel gets the grease.
april
RE: Control your EFFING DOGS! - dirk1609 - 04-25-2008
Worry Free® Outdoor Dog, Cat & Bird Repellent Granules sounds like a great idea. I know you were trying to help but these ideas are for the people with money to waste.
I assume over the course of a year I will have to buy a decent amount of it with rain etc and I bet Id have to order it and have it shipped here. Now here is the important question. Who do I bill for it, the Government or my neighbor? We are doing our best to live simply, not waste money we don't have, live on basic spending and our garden. A dog that rips up my garden, garbage, clothes, poops in my yard and keeps me up all night isn't worth a red cent to me. Why do I get to pay for keeping it off my property? A 308 round is less than .35 reloaded and takes care of the problem forever. Worry free is more than likely 20 to 30 bucks and you keep having to buy it and reapply, and that's if it even works. Next thing I know I am spending more to keep the neighbor's dog out of my yard than the neighbor is spending to take care of it. Its kind of like building a fence, GREAT IDEA if you have the money. Maybe it would be cheaper for the government to offer fencing grants than build a pound.
I have tried taking to owners
I have tried calling the police
I have given up on some aspects of gardening
I have given up on raising poultry
I have picked up lots of garbage spread over a acre
I have tried tossing rocks at dogs in the yard to keep them out
I have tried building a rock wall and gate at the front of my property to keep them out
I have tried spraying loose dogs that come at me with pepper spray
I have to accept that neighbors dogs are one of the reasons our great neighbor has a for sale sign in front of her home.
She (our neighbor) gets to accept the difficulty that comes with trying to sell a home next to neighbors who care about nothing and own dogs that bark all day and night. I'm sure those neighbors will cost her $10,000 at least when it comes to lost home value and her home will more than likely sell to more people with DOGS since the neighbors own so many.
None of this is a fix, the ONLY fix is no more problem dog/s. Since the people that rape us come tax time cant take care of it, or anything else for that matter, we will all get to deal with it. Problem dog/s go away and the problem goes away. Our quickest route to take care of the dogs is to just take care of them.
RE: Control your EFFING DOGS! - YurtGirl - 04-25-2008
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Originally posted by dirk1609
None of this is a fix, the ONLY fix is no more problem dog/s.... Problem dog/s go away and the problem goes away. Our quickest route to take care of the dogs is to just take care of them.
That's just it Dirk, when the problem dogs "go away" then the problem goes away... for how long? It isn't solving the problem because the problem doesn't stem from the dog 9 times out of 10, it stems from an irresponsible dog owner. Alleve the symptom, let the disease rage on. Western remedies. Kill one dog, the same owner will get another, or a few more and the problems begin again. Long term, a more permanent solution would be to hit the owners where it hurts, the pocketbook. If they lost a dog because they couldn't pay fines, etc. then they would likely think twice before taking on the responsibility again, or if they had to come up with the funds to pay the fines, same result.
Responsibility for this issue is in our hands right now, as, since you have stated, the government is not handling it. I would suggest that our responsibilities are to squeak the wheel! Loudly and with much support aligned, before our council members are given their next budget. This isn't an immediate fix, I understand. But it is one major step toward a more permanent fix, toward enforcment of laws in place and some future peace of mind for everyone who has been so tormented with the problem.
Idealistic? I don't think so... A system is in place, better to learn to use the system, (play the game, however you want to look at it) than to continue to let the system use us. [B)] (System = Government)
I have a question for everyone! What would you do about a stray HORSE??!! I've got this horse coming onto my property, two of them sometimes, eating my plants, riling up my dogs (who then bark and drive me half mad... [:I] ) It's also pretty well starving, seriously, I haven't seen a horse more skinny than the one... I feel rather sorry for it. I've talked about lassoing it and penning it the back to get it up to a decent weight, but I spent enough time in Arizona to be rather averse to horse-thieving [
] . I'm guessing most of you wouldn't shoot or slug bait the horse, right?
RE: Control your EFFING DOGS! - dirk1609 - 04-25-2008
Yurtgirl:
Most of these DEAD BEAT owners are not going to even look for their missing dog better yet pay a fine to get it back. The people that would look for their dog and pay the fine are not the problem.
What is the difference between a owner replacing a dead dog or a owner replacing a dog that is too expensive to get back from the pound? The pound remedy creates two dogs...one dog, which is the replacement for the dog that is too expensive to pick up, and which also becomes a new problem; and a second dog (that which was picked up) that we all get to pay for at the pound, which sooner or later gets adopted or euthanized. On the other hand, one dead dog being replaced creates only one dog (the replacement dog). And that's ONE LESS (the dead dog) ON THE ISLAND! This island could really do with about a quarter of the dogs that currently ruin it.
When our goverment takes 3+ year to do a couple miles of freeway, I assume the dog fixing idea would take a decade and is VERY low priority.
As I have said before, its a F$#@ING nightmare!
RE: Control your EFFING DOGS! - Guest - 04-25-2008
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Originally posted by YurtGirl
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I have a question for everyone! What would you do about a stray HORSE??!! I've got this horse coming onto my property, two of them sometimes, eating my plants, riling up my dogs (who then bark and drive me half mad... [:I] ) It's also pretty well starving, seriously, I haven't seen a horse more skinny than the one... I feel rather sorry for it. I've talked about lassoing it and penning it the back to get it up to a decent weight, but I spent enough time in Arizona to be rather averse to horse-thieving [
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RE: Control your EFFING DOGS! - Guest - 04-25-2008
The state offers permits that allow landowners to kill wild animals if their property or crop is at risk, said Peter Young, who chairs the state Department of Land and Natural Resources.
http://starbulletin.com/2006/07/03/news/story07.html
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