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RE: Inbound missle from N. Korea alert. - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 01-15-2018
Tom,
Hawaii Public Radio had a story this afternoon which included info on the sirens. They reported many people assumed it was a false alarm when the sirens didn't go off, but as the reporter added, there were reports from communities around the state where people heard warning sirens.
That's particularly strange, because as you mentioned it's a separate system. If only some sirens sounded, does that mean the system isn't integrated and not triggered from the same source? Can individual sirens be sounded manually by a person who received the text? Are people hearing things?
http://hawaiipublicradio.org/post/false-alarm-wake-call-many
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RE: Inbound missle from N. Korea alert. - ElysianWort - 01-15-2018
This is total bull Sh*t. I see no way a mistake that big could be made. It was on purpose. Must have been to instill fear into the public so that we'll vote for more funding to go to military spending. Then pin it on some unnamed civil defense worker and make the people believe a mistake that huge could be made.
RE: Inbound missle from N. Korea alert. - TomK - 01-15-2018
...or the Hawaii state government authorities are incompetent. Occam's razor - I know what explanation I prefer.
RE: Inbound missle from N. Korea alert. - TomK - 01-15-2018
HOTPE - thanks for the link. I still don't see that as confirmation some sirens went off, however. I'd really like to get proper confirmation of the fact first. If they did go off, then there's an even greater breakdown of the system then we already know, but I'm also aware of confirmation bias, where people might have thought they'd heard something and the fact that alerts were sent out made them believe they really did hear sirens. Other than the PBS article, all I've seen so far are "reports" of sirens sounding.
RE: Inbound missle from N. Korea alert. - Wao nahele wahine - 01-15-2018
The more I read about and think about this incident, the more questions I have about how it happened and how it can be prevented from happening again.
The poorly designed computer interface system being used by HEMA for this system test is troubling. What other parts of this system are poorly designed and need to be improved? Have the 'tweaks' to the interface system been properly checked to ensure that said tweaks will operate properly?
I don't really care if the false alarm was issued at the beginning or end of someone's shift. I am concerned about the lack of attention to one's job. Was this a new responsibility for this employee? Was the employee aware of the potential consequences if he hit the wrong button? Was there a lack of training? How often is this system check performed? At each shift change? Daily? Weekly? Monthly? If it is performed at each shift change, shouldn't the employee ending his shift and the one starting his shift be involved in the system check?
On a different note, in the unlikely event that we do get hit with a missile, people need to keep this in mind about radiation: The three ways to minimize your radiation exposure are time, distance, and shielding.
Wahine
RE: Inbound missle from N. Korea alert. - TomK - 01-15-2018
Wao nahele wahine - you're asking the right questions. One issue is, however, whether we get truthful answers. I'm not confident we will.
RE: Inbound missle from N. Korea alert. - Wao nahele wahine - 01-15-2018
TomK, I'm the first to admit that I have my gullible moments, but I know we won't get truthful answers to those questions. I do think we all deserve some answers, but I'm definitely not going to hold my breath.
Wahine
RE: Inbound missle from N. Korea alert. - PaulW - 01-15-2018
quote:
Originally posted by TomK
...or the Hawaii state government authorities are incompetent. Occam's razor - I know what explanation I prefer.
And then there's this razor:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor
RE: Inbound missle from N. Korea alert. - Eric1600 - 01-16-2018
I'm personally much more disturbed by this thread than anything else about the false alert. Arguing about the problems with an alert system is fairly pointless when talking about nuclear weapons. If anything it should be a wake up call that being told you have 15 minutes to live isn't acceptable.
Why is no one questioning the state of affairs that led us to the point where the future of humanity rests on the wisdom of Donald Trump and Kim Jung Un?
while I hate to feed the fire about the alert rather than discuss the underlying issues, here's what the "button" really looks like according to Hawaii Emergency Management Agency: https://www.instagram.com/p/BeAG5K4F3u6/
RE: Inbound missle from N. Korea alert. - My 2 cents - 01-16-2018
Because that discussion isn't allowed on this forum.