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RE: *This Post Is About HPP* Waikahekahe, WATUMULL'S, Owners/Members Meeting 10/27/2024 - TomK - 11-04-2024
(11-04-2024, 07:40 AM)Rob Tucker Wrote: Here's an old rule of thumb I learned many years ago... just because someone puts a hoop up in front of you doesn't mean you have to jump through it.
Something else that I think a lot of people have learned over the years, and why America exists, is that when others put hoops in front of you, you should point it out and make them justify their actions, if not fight against them. Sitting back and ignoring abhorrent behavior will not improve things; it just encourages it. Think of Rosa Parks. Think of some of the recent posts here that are downright sexist, yet nothing gets done about it.
RE: *This Post Is About HPP* Waikahekahe, WATUMULL'S, Owners/Members Meeting 10/27/2024 - Patricia - 11-04-2024
Aloha TomK,
My personal rule of thumb, after having dealt with so much ugly HPPOA in the past 3 and a half years, is pick your battles.
The nasty, personal attacks? The sexist remarks and mental health "jokes?" They are all just pathetic deflections and a defense some will use when they have no facts, nothing of substance they can offer in support of their "truth." Better if we laugh that group of people off. Give as little attention to their ugliness as possible. Because attention is what they want. Attention that will try to deflect from the larger, important issues.
My personal rule of thumb? Maybe not ignore, but not care too much. MyManao is not worth it.
RE: *This Post Is About HPP* Waikahekahe, WATUMULL'S, Owners/Members Meeting 10/27/2024 - kalakoa - 11-04-2024
Ironic that the discussion has drifted away from "the roads". County would be proud!
Anyone remember the Hawaiian Acres LID estimate of $74M? Bond payments were higher than many residents' income, not even counting the increased "valuation" that would result in substantial property tax increases.
RE: *This Post Is About HPP* Waikahekahe, WATUMULL'S, Owners/Members Meeting 10/27/2024 - My 2 cents - 11-04-2024
I remember, but that number sounded small....
https://punaweb.org/forum/archive/index.php?thread-22583.html
RE: *This Post Is About HPP* Waikahekahe, WATUMULL'S, Owners/Members Meeting 10/27/2024 - Patricia - 11-04-2024
It is interesting how this post has morphed- starting out about an HPPOA Owners/members meeting, discussing a cultural preservation site study- which along with anything that isn't mailboxes, seems to be of little interest to the HPPOA board- then we moved onto the Watamull's and the lawsuit which is all, entirely the fault of HPPOA and is costing HPP owners hundreds of thousands (possibly millions) in road fee money (talk about lack of Fiduciary duty).
Of course, you are correct. All of the above is a result of substandard subdivision roads. And it all needs fixing. The thing is, how? Obviously these community associations, whose boards are allowed to act as administrators for large sums of money, aren't the answer. The County, throwing together improvement plans that would bankrupt most owners aren't the answer.
Decades ago, when we lived very rural, telephone service was minimal. In fact, we shared lines (party lines) well onto the 1990s. What worked for us, amazingly well, was a coop of owners who funded the telephone company and had an investment interest in the company- WE owned it, WE called the shots, WE were in charge. We also received public monies (grants). Perhaps, instead of associations that seem to always want to flex their control over owners and their road fee money, it is time for Owners to take charge, and establish Private Road Coops.
https://www.rd.usda.gov/programs-services/all-programs/cooperative-services
RE: *This Post Is About HPP* Waikahekahe, WATUMULL'S, Owners/Members Meeting 10/27/2024 - HiloJulie - 11-04-2024
Another consideration that I see rarely discussed with respect to the County assuming ownership etc. of these substandard subdivision roads that goes much further than just paving the road to County standards.
What about a buried sanitary sewer system? Storm drain system? Water piping, to include fire hydrants? Electrical conduits/mains? Internet wiring? Gas piping?
Even if the infrastructure is not there to connect all of the above at the moment, it will eventually become inevitable.
Or do we leave those problems to the next generation to argue and complain about on PunaWeb?
RE: *This Post Is About HPP* Waikahekahe, WATUMULL'S, Owners/Members Meeting 10/27/2024 - Patricia - 11-04-2024
[attachment=326]Well... Look at this. I do not recall this ever being mentioned. And why is the state working on a private HPP road? Are they putting in a round-about on the hwy?
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RE: *This Post Is About HPP* Waikahekahe, WATUMULL'S, Owners/Members Meeting 10/27/2024 - ChunksterK - 11-05-2024
The speed hump on Paradise just before 130 is being installed as a public safety measure following several accidents where traffic from Paradise shot through the intersection and crashed into the property at the head of the T junction. Some of these idiots even managed to crash through a guard rail installed earlier. Whether the speed bump wakes the stupid and/or intoxicated drivers in time to do any good remains to be seen.
There is precedent for public sector improvements to HPP roads. During the 2014 eruption that threatened Pahoa and 130, improvements were made at public expense to portions of Railroad and Beach which would have been used by commuters had 130 been cut. Fortunately that didn't happen. I believe the work was done by the county with financial and logistical support from the state.
RE: *This Post Is About HPP* Waikahekahe, WATUMULL'S, Owners/Members Meeting 10/27/2024 - kalianna - 11-05-2024
More high falutinʻ ideas from someone that doesnʻt live here. I highly doubt that a buried sanitary sewer system is inevitable. More like unfeasible. Or impossible. And please correct me if Iʻm wrong, but as far as I know we have no need for a storm drain system. Complain as you will about everything thatʻs wrong in HPP, but flooding is not one of our problems.
RE: *This Post Is About HPP* Waikahekahe, WATUMULL'S, Owners/Members Meeting 10/27/2024 - HiloJulie - 11-05-2024
(11-05-2024, 12:25 AM)kalianna Wrote: More high falutinʻ ideas from someone that doesnʻt live here. I highly doubt that a buried sanitary sewer system is inevitable. More like unfeasible. Or impossible. And please correct me if Iʻm wrong, but as far as I know we have no need for a storm drain system. Complain as you will about everything thatʻs wrong in HPP, but flooding is not one of our problems.
That's right, I don't live in HPP. But I do live in Hawaiian Acres, a subdivision with similar issues on a much smaller scale.
As for my "high falutin' ideas," when my husband and I moved here and purchased our 3 side by side lots in the Acres in the late 1980's, there was an already built small home - all fully permitted and 2 years old that was built on the "middle" property. We then went ahead and built our main home further back on that same "middle" property and now use the original home for guests.
When we were building our main home, and the contractor was discussing with us the need to make a second cesspool for the new home, we asked about a septic system instead. He laughed at us like we were "mainland idiots." We told him that we understood the cesspool was legal and all that, but our concern was 25 - 50 years from then (remember, this was in 1988) what will be the requirements then?
In between him laughing at us he sputtered out "cesspool always be the way" here in Hawaii! Never nothing more!
We recently started looking into the feasibility of a septic tank system in the last few months and the general consensus - both by the contractors we have talked to as well as the County Permit office is "why do that now?" "You got to 2050!"
So yes, I am sure the future will always be as it is today!