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RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - Patricia - 01-14-2025
(01-14-2025, 09:45 PM)HiloJulie Wrote:(01-14-2025, 08:58 PM)Patricia Wrote: Can we PLEASE get back to issues? Like the roads, road fee money, substandard subdivisions, etc.?
Excellent idea! Wish I would have thought of that.
At any event, I was wondering how you were coming along on this question I asked:
(01-13-2025, 02:59 AM)Patricia Wrote: And HiloJulie, thank you. I would love to discuss options for funding non-road projects. If you can be patient though, that would be much appreciated. My day has kind of caught up with me and I still have a bunch to do.
Thanking you, again, in advance!
Julie
I am cleaning gnats from my screens. I detest this chore, so I will take a minute to give you the short answer.
Instead of showing up at a committee meeting and saying "I haven't thought of anything," (these members were tasked with researching and suggesting funding streams) I would suggest that HPPOA first start with a Funding Model and research how OTHER non-profits (who do not just collect mandatory, restricted road fees) support their non-profit activities. A plan is always a good first step. Unfortunately, HPPOA does not seem to believe in planning.
(01-14-2025, 10:10 PM)Patricia Wrote:(01-14-2025, 09:45 PM)HiloJulie Wrote:(01-14-2025, 08:58 PM)Patricia Wrote: Can we PLEASE get back to issues? Like the roads, road fee money, substandard subdivisions, etc.?
Excellent idea! Wish I would have thought of that.
At any event, I was wondering how you were coming along on this question I asked:
(01-13-2025, 02:59 AM)Patricia Wrote: And HiloJulie, thank you. I would love to discuss options for funding non-road projects. If you can be patient though, that would be much appreciated. My day has kind of caught up with me and I still have a bunch to do.
Thanking you, again, in advance!
Julie
I am cleaning gnats from my screens. I detest this chore, so I will take a minute to give you the short answer.
Instead of showing up at a committee meeting and saying "I haven't thought of anything," (these members were tasked with researching and suggesting funding streams) I would suggest that HPPOA first start with a Funding Model and research how OTHER non-profits (who do not just collect mandatory, restricted road fees) support their non-profit activities. A plan is always a good first step. Unfortunately, HPPOA does not seem to believe in planning.
Pick one to discuss:
https://www.dbccpa.com/2024/12/26/ten-nonprofit-funding-models-3/
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 01-14-2025
Which of the 10 funding models in your link do you believe have any chance of success in HPP? I don’t see any that would accomplish the goal of paying for 8000 mailboxes. Unless the scope of the project is changed, which is probably too late at this point.
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - leilanidude - 01-14-2025
Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs
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17 pages and the title of the thread still makes zero sense.
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - Obie - 01-14-2025
HOTPE
The mailboxes were provided free by the USPS.
This is unheard of.
All HPP had to do was provide the sites.
This donation of CBU's and installation cost the USPS several million Dollars.
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - Patricia - 01-14-2025
(01-14-2025, 10:58 PM)HereOnThePrimalEdge Wrote: Which of the 10 funding models in your link do you believe have any chance of success in HPP? I don’t see any that would accomplish the goal of paying for 8000 mailboxes. Unless the scope of the project is changed, which is probably too late at this point.
Why do you not believe any of those funding models would not work? Because they require effort from the board? Because they require "encouraged participation" from owners?
Successful non-profits require a lot of hard work. Because most non-profits cannot force money from contributors.
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - HiloJulie - 01-14-2025
(01-14-2025, 10:10 PM)Patricia Wrote: I am cleaning gnats from my screens. I detest this chore, so I will take a minute to give you the short answer.
Instead of showing up at a committee meeting and saying "I haven't thought of anything," (these members were tasked with researching and suggesting funding streams) I would suggest that HPPOA first start with a Funding Model and research how OTHER non-profits (who do not just collect mandatory, restricted road fees) support their non-profit activities. A plan is always a good first step. Unfortunately, HPPOA does not seem to believe in planning.
Pick one to discuss:
https://www.dbccpa.com/2024/12/26/ten-nonprofit-funding-models-3/
Thank you Patricia!
I will admit, these 10 Fund Raising Models for Non-Profits is very informative and, as each one of the ten no doubt clearly allows for the raising of funds needed by the respective parties, but, somehow, I am a bit skeptical of fund raising programs designed to specifically cure cancer, fund various nonprofit hospitals and universities, fund church and other religious institutions, secures governmental grant funding, helps student loan reductions, and in particular, the large corporate matching fund programs that big and large corporate entities use to make their Corporate Social Responsibility score look good is really going to do anything to help HPP get mailboxes installed.
Further, while I agree that sometimes thinking “outside of the box” is a great way of looking at things, in this case, I’d say maybe you’re looking inside the wrong box here, and again, I think each of the 10 models as you suggest are just fine and great for their intended purposes, I just don’t see them applying to anything that HPP is or does.
But then again, speaking about the big and large corporate fund matching programs, maybe HPP could get Jeff Bezos to do a like 1% or 2% funding match of all Amazon purchases made by the residents in HPP.
You should have a few million really quick, I would think!
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - Patricia - 01-14-2025
(01-14-2025, 11:16 PM)Obie Wrote: HOTPE
The mailboxes were provided free by the USPS.
This is unheard of.
All HPP had to do was provide the sites.
This donation of CBU's and installation cost the USPS several million Dollars.
Not a "donation." A rope around owners' HPP Owners' necks.
Once HPPOA accepted those boxes "on behalf" of all owners, and put HPPOA in the "mailbox business," they committed all HPP Owners to fund the maintenance, replacement, security, etc., of those boxes. And HOW will this be accomplished?
Answer: Using Restricted Road Fee Money and volating Deed Restrictions
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 01-14-2025
Why do you not believe any of those funding models would not work?
*effort from the board?
* "encouraged participation" from owners?
*hard work.
*cannot force money from contributors.
All of the above.
And more.
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - Obie - 01-14-2025
Just think one subdivision has hogged nearly every PO box on the east side of Hawaii island.
Residents of HPP are causing the huge long lines at nearly every Post office on the east side of Hawaii island.
The USPS finally couldn't put up with the ineptitude of HPP and provided several million in CBU's and people like Patricia bitch about it.
RE: Roads Are Easements Not Planned Communities Or HOAs - HereOnThePrimalEdge - 01-14-2025
people like Patricia bitch about it.
Why not go to the source to solve the problem? Get a zip code for HPP. And a post office. Volcanoes National Park has their own zip code, 96718, and maybe 100 mailboxes at the tiny PO.