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RE: Champagne Pond - the hare - 07-17-2012
I don't think it's worth the hassle going there
RE: Champagne Pond - taropatch - 07-17-2012
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& it would be very difficult to question all people walking on the roads, as this is an area with high transient population in vacation rentals...
Are you serious? So its okay to trespass on private property since it's "very difficult to question all" trespassers.
RE: Champagne Pond - Greg - 07-17-2012
It may be the Beachlots Community Association that are the law breakers here. There was traditional access to the shoreline long before the subdivision was developed, and property owners are required to grant egress to others.
I really miss Jerry Rothstein and his persistent efforts to protect our rights to shoreline access.(He was tragically killed in a car crash in 2005)
Jerry was founder and president of Public Access Shoreline Hawai'i (PASH), whose lawsuit over a coastal development in Kohanaiki resulted in a 1995 landmark Hawai'i Supreme Court decision affirming Native Hawaiian gathering and cultural rights on private property.
RE: Champagne Pond - ericlp - 07-18-2012
Oahu must be really different on beach access. They have a lot of catwalks for people interested going to the beach. Until these so called 'subdivsions' can get their act together and provide a safe way for the public to get the shore line... Do what you want. If it pisses off people so what. You do have a RIGHT to the ocean and if that doesn't work you can always sue people from preventing you the "public" to your right.
I probably shouldn't post this here since no doubt everyone has their opinion on it... But is it any wonder why these people don't want their streets to be paved? Wait till roberts wants to park their bus full of people at your gate? What then?
RE: Champagne Pond - Chuysmom - 07-19-2012
To my knowledge, they MUST allow access to the beaches, whether or not it is private property. That's a State law. Park outside the gate near the mailboxes and walk in through the OPEN WALK-IN GATE.
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RE: Champagne Pond - punafish - 07-19-2012
You tell 'em Chuysmom!
Years ago before we moved here, we were vacationing in Vacationland (logical, right?). To get to Champagne Pond we had to cut through a small field with a trail, about a 20-minute walk as I remember. We were respectful and greeted everyone we saw as we made our way through the neighborhood. Folks were friendly and reciprocated our greetings, no hassles.
That said, I wouldn't swim there now; last time I visited (about 6 years ago) it was a cesspool, albeit a beautiful one. It was a weekend and local folks--several big families--were camping; no problem except there are no public toilets. Well, people gotta do their business with or without. Tides ebb and flow. You get the picture. Couldn't get myself to jump in, and sadly haven't been back since. Rob's spot on, we truly loved that place to death. Kinda sad.
@intrepidscout: after reading these comments, you still wanna visit Champagne Pond?
RE: Champagne Pond - sittall - 07-19-2012
I found a good website that explains the legalities concerning public access to Hawaiian beaches. It also explains how much of the beach is in the public domain and who controls access points.
http://seagrant.soest.hawaii.edu/private-landowner-information
RE: Champagne Pond - Greg - 07-19-2012
Thanks sittall,
From the link provided:
(a) Each county shall adopt ordinances which shall require a subdivider or developer, as a condition precedent to final approval of a subdivision, in cases where public access is not already provided, to dedicate land for public access by right-of-way or easement for pedestrian travel from a public highway or public streets to the land below the high-water mark on any coastal shoreline....."
RE: Champagne Pond - intrepidscout - 07-20-2012
I'm reconsidering...
Deb
RE: Champagne Pond - Rob Tucker - 07-20-2012
If you have never been there I think you should at least check it out. Very pretty spot.