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RE: I'm happy to put something positive on Punatalk! - Guest - 08-21-2013
Ill take your word for it, though when I suggested the same thing to my father before when I was younger he was somewhat offended and proceeded to explain why it was not the same, an explanation I wont argue with you, his family is samurai. I would argue the Chinese are very authoritarian and not afraid to jump to such measures immediately where the Japanese seem to refrain. If it is Confucianism it is very different from China. Both China and Japan are very different from the way they were.
This is not Puna related, sorry Rob, although somehow I bet this bothers him less then most of the stuff I talk about
Edit: Found an applicable article:
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/culture/2013/02/10/books/the-evolution-of-japans-turn-away-from-confucian-ideas/#.UhWksxZDtWI
RE: I'm happy to put something positive on Punatalk! - punafish - 08-21-2013
afw, you're a good man. Lots of experts in the field can refute your dad. Google works too. I believe you're intellectually curious enough not to take my word for it and check the facts for yourself.
China, Korea and Japan all have different flavors of Confucianism, just as they all have different forms of Buddhism. Chinese actually mistrust and resist authority when it's deemed unethical. Unfortunately their corrupt government loves authority, and deals with resistance with a heavy hand. Thanks to Chairman Mao's Cultural Revolution, Confucian values have been greatly diluted in modern China.
Korean Confucianism is by far the strictest and most authoritarian.
Keeping this Puna, really think a police box system in conjunction with strong local neighborhood watches would work wonders in Puna. Actually have discussed this before with Mitch Roth. Not that he can do anything about it...
RE: I'm happy to put something positive on Punatalk! - Guest - 08-21-2013
I looked into it, have lived it and disagree, its just not something I wish to focus on and waste my non puna related talk on. Though again I somehow bet this offends Rob much less
Maybe some time we can sit down in Kamakura and talk about it, that was the seat of neo-confusionist power in Japan and that is where my family lives, right across the street from the shinto shrine Hachimangu. There are large similarities between Japan and China and even more so Korea, but they are very different in my personal experience. What exists in Japan is different from what I have read and is defined in the San Li. One is a warrior culture(restrained beautifully) and one is not. One has been under cruel authoritarian rule forever and the other had glimpses of anarchist decentralized culture. They are both collectivist cultures, just like ours, but I know who I would turn to if I wanted independent creative thinking.edit: As a further tidbit on the perspective my father and I take on Japan, he was the only tenured professor at the university of Tokyo to have left without retiring or being asked to leave, he left to America to work for Bell labs.
RE: I'm happy to put something positive on Punatalk! - punafish - 08-21-2013
We need to discuss it over a beer one day, awf. Really. As much as our world views differ, I suspect we'd actually get along.
Glad to hear you're of Japanese descent, it no doubt exposed you to the home culture, a wonderful thing. I've got lots of Japanese friends, including local Japanese. I spend a lot of time in Japan. Most Japanese I know--both Japanese nationals and locals here in Hawaii-- don't understand their mother culture. (Nor do Americans.) That's because having dna roots in Japan or anywhere doesn't automatically translate to cultural knowledge. But it certainly doesn't hurt!
If I understand you correctly, you're saying that you researched Confucianism in Asia and still disagree that Japan is a Confucian society? Gosh, I have no response to that, other than I'm sorry your research didn't change your mind. I too lived it, and still live it everyday, because it's how I make a living.
My sincere apology to the OP for disrupting this thread; it's just two silly guys thumping their on-line chests. I will bow out and hopefully finish this conversation over a beer one day.
So. How about them police boxes?
RE: I'm happy to put something positive on Punatalk! - Guest - 08-23-2013
I am not of Japanese decent, my father adopted me at a very young age, including transferring the adoption into Japan, this is very rare and difficult and not common among gaijin. I do disagree, but probably over finer, yet very important points then you are imagining. There are similarities, but it is not "Confucianism" as described in the San Li and actually practiced in China. We should hang out some time, I don't need to thump my chest to disagree, words don't pass judgement. I prefer that most people disagree peacefully, the world works better that way, as opposed to agreeing with violence as you find is a requirement in collectivist culture, demonstrated in every country. I like it when people have large amounts of power at their disposal and don't use it, like in Japan, as opposed to China where the "people" do not have much.
RE: I'm happy to put something positive on Punatalk! - dmbwest - 08-23-2013
cough cough .... bhhhsht ... Afwjam, i feel ashamed for your father ... YU ARE A DISGRACE to whatever you are trying to claim now.
RE: I'm happy to put something positive on Punatalk! - Guest - 08-24-2013
Aloha pog.
I don't need to prove anything to you. You will never believe it, but everything I have ever posted on Punaweb is true.
Just try and imagine a world where people are different from you. I will think kind thoughts about you as I enjoy my time in the arctic with the eskimos and later I will think kind thoughts as I enjoy the waste deep powder in Niseko and a ice cold biru out of the machine right next to the onsen. My father is battling lung cancer in Japan right now and I am looking forward to spending some more time with him in Kamakura as our time was limited in Weimea.
Aloha.
Compassion, Love, Peace and Tolerance.
RE: I'm happy to put something positive on Punatalk! - dragon2k - 08-24-2013
quote:
Originally posted by pog
cough cough .... bhhhsht ... Afwjam, i feel ashamed for your father ... YU ARE A DISGRACE to whatever you are trying to claim now.
Wow POG, maybe posting at midnight on a friday is not a great idea. You are serving no purpose by attacking Jam other than stroking your own ego. For shame. [V]
RE: I'm happy to put something positive on Punatalk! - Guest - 08-24-2013
pog, I found some proof!! Here is a picture of me riding a quad in the sand dunes of Oklahoma:
http://i.imgur.com/Wh1iQVP.jpg
Did you know there are sand dunes in Oklahoma? I did, because Im 16% Choctaw and have family there
Aloha!
RE: I'm happy to put something positive on Punatalk! - dmbwest - 08-24-2013
????????????? LOL ........... What does any of that have to do with my statments ?
I am standing by my statements that you are a disgrace to your elders.... Even more so now.
dragon, you are just insignificant.