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RE: Ferguson - Rob Tucker - 08-21-2014
One downside of the blast resistant vehicles, even if acquired for free, is that replacing a tire can cost $10,000. I can see HPD having one for extreme cases but the maintenance costs can be a bummer. It may end up in a scrap yard before it ever gets used.
RE: Ferguson - oink - 08-21-2014
Very true Rob. A good while back my agency acquired what was probably a Vietnam era armored car. It was a piece of crap rust bucket and was always in a state of disrepair. And we had one of those amazing old good ole boy fix anything type guys running fleet maintenance at the time. They may have traded up to an MRAP by now. If so, hopefully it isn't as worn out as the earlier vehicle was.
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RE: Ferguson - justthefacts - 08-21-2014
Ferguson , no one really knows what happened there except the people that were directly involved. we do know from video that the victim was involved in a crime... and the rest will come out in court.
what about the police officers that are shot and killed while perfoming their duties, do we ever hear about them ?? we only hear about an incident that appears to have gone wrong .
hope fully you will never be a victim of a crime but if that happens , you will be asking for police help .
as to the armored car , we can only hope and pray we will never need it , but if something happens its ready to go . thats called being prepared.
RE: Ferguson - alaskyn66 - 08-21-2014
I just yesterday watched a compilation video of cops getting shot in the line of duty.
Makes me wonder if they use videos like that as training videos.
It might explain the shoot first mentality some officers have.
RE: Ferguson - Rob Tucker - 08-21-2014
Let's please keep this Puna and/or Hawaii related.
Assume the best and ask questions.
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RE: Ferguson - Guest - 08-21-2014
Would you want your kids school principle acting like the students ? No. They are in a position of authority and SHOULD be trained to do better.
RE: Ferguson - peteadams - 08-21-2014
"cops will be cops, I remember 40 years ago where they would litterly bust down your doors and tear up an entire house while holding people at gunpoint and knocking them down looking for some marijuana"
40 years ago? Less than 10 years ago a number of HCPD police held a large ohana at gunpoint in a residence, including pointing their weapons at children and babies, according to first hand accounts I heard at the time. Very glad they were not carrying assault rifles at the time (at least did not hear that reported). Too much potential for an "oops" with too much adrenaline.
RE: Ferguson - kander - 08-21-2014
quote:
Originally posted by oink
Generally, IMHO, in a democracy the residents get the government they deserve. Democracy isn't perfect but I don't know what system would be better.
Its not just in general, every time. We don't have a democracy, we have a republic. Vote for people to change how things are, Politicians have a limited shelf life, send them home after 8 years.
RE: Ferguson - kalakoa - 08-22-2014
in a democracy the residents get the government they deserve
A government held hostage by big business?
Elections that allow "choice" on irrelevant issues?
Inbred leadership caste?
We don't have a democracy, we have a republic.
Oh, that makes it okay then.
RE: Ferguson - pahoated - 08-22-2014
This was a another case where social media spiraling out of control drove large masses of humans to group violence.
The kid was looking for trouble all day. He and his friends were walking in the street, basically looking for fights. The cop saw them and asked them to stop walking in the street. The kid became argumentative, so the cop started getting out of his car. That was when the kind slammed the door back on the cop, breaking his cheek bone. Then the kid reached inside the car and tried to take the cop's gun from him. The gun discharged and the cop regained control. That was when the kid started running away. The cop ordered him to stop. The kid turned around and started charging the cop and the cop felt his life was in danger. This kid was huge, with a lot of weight and power. The cop kept shooting because the kid kept charging and the bullet to the head finally brought him down.
Social media with its usual effect of going off on tangents, started reporting it was the issuance of surplus military equipment that was responsible. That had nothing to do with the incident. As for the surplus military equipment, the US decided it couldn't leave all those brand new MRAPS in Iraq and Afghanistan, so they were all shipped back. The Army looked at the cost to keep them active, determined that was too expensive, then surplused them out. If you know about military surplus, it is first offered to other agencies, then to the national guard and the police.
This really is off topic and totally Hawaii unrelated. Hawaii county did get a new armored vehicle several years ago. It isn't anything special that any SWAT would have.
http://www.hawaiipolice.com/bearcat-armored-vehicle-10-12-07
These surplus MRAPS are a non issue for Hawaii because they have already had huge shipping costs, first from the US to Iraq and Afghanistan, then back to the mainland. If you know anything about military surplus, they don't pay for the shipping and that is what is usually the reason to scrap it before trying to reutilize it.
Fricking social media. What the hell use is it except spread confusion and chaos?
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