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RE: Prayer - pam jones - 09-14-2014
MBB if you don't believe in our creator and still want to pray, just who are you praying to? One can send all of the happy thoughts into the universe you want but that is where they will stay. Funny how the proclaimed wise finally reach out to God in a real crises. God does hear and answer prayer of his believers and though I do not believe religion has done anything but obscure many peoples idea of a relationship with God, he is as real our great-great-great grandparents. Didn't see or meet them but I'm living proof they existed! [
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RE: Prayer - MBB - 09-14-2014
I did not post that I do not believe in God/ Creator.
RE: Prayer - pam jones - 09-14-2014
MBB not to be a pinhead but the belief of God is an organized belief system. The believers are called Christians because we believe God sent his son (Jesus Christ, he's a real person not just part of a way to swear) who died, rose three days later and now is seated at the right hand of God (Jehovah). A summation of his commandments were to love God with all of your heart and love each other; also, we are not to judge others. The book for learning about him is known as the Bible and it is the most important book to Christians every where. I don't mean to sound ugly in any way but to deny the Father (God) is a sure fire way to have yourself denied by his son in heaven. It is okay to believe and say you do, even in this decayed and pitiful world.
RE: Prayer - missydog1 - 09-14-2014
I do pray and have asked for prayer at times, mostly for my grandson. It certainly doesn't always work though, and that has to be allowed for or you can get depressed.
Example: my friends' 3 year old developed aggressive leukemia and needed a bone marrow transplant, and a mutual friend into healing organized a light a candle and prayer circle that was across the county and thousands of people, including me, and sending photos of our candles for the boy. Then later we all did a sunrise.
His transplant did not take, even though he was at the absolute best facility at UCSF, and his parents had not even accepted the idea that the prayers might not be granted because he was such an amazing kid and surely deserved to survive the test of leukemia. He died, and they would have been devastated no matter what, but all the hope and positive thinking that did not manifest into any better outcome was depressing even to me who was not in inner circle.
If you think about it, if praying could change everything then we would all get what we want all the time. Doesn't stop me from praying, and saying thank you when I get that thing I prayed for.
Kathy
RE: Prayer - pahoachick - 09-14-2014
Pam, I don't think the OP wanted to restrict this thread to particular religious beliefs. The ABC news clip I posted earlier mentions studies involving Orthodox Jews, Buddhists and Sufi Muslims, as well as Christians. Maybe you could start a separate Christian prayer thread if you are uncomfortable with the postings in this thread.
FYI, I am a Christian but I fully respect others' beliefs.
RE: Prayer - pahoachick - 09-14-2014
Kathy, I guess we were writing posts at the same time.
I've taken classes on prayer and healing (I'm a faith community nurse) that addressed the seeming disconnect between praying but still not receiving the desired result. One of the best explanations I've received is that healing can take more than one form: It could mean physical health is restored (the condition is healed), or it could mean that the person's spirit is healed (he is no longer afraid), or it could mean that the person died peacefully and went to heaven. That is a very simplistic way of putting it, but that's the message I took away after a 2-day retreat. (The pastor also wrote a book and has a website called HowToPrayforHealing).
My father died in January 2014 after a 4-year battle with Parkinson's disease that was the result of exposure to Agent Orange in Vietnam. When our family prayed for healing for him, we knew he wouldn't be cured physically, but he did experience release from physical and spiritual pain.
RE: Prayer - reni - 09-14-2014
Many Ethnic backgrounds here = different beliefs.
I tend to believe in the power of positive expression as well as the power of negative expression. (manifestation, materialization of dream for example)
On the subject of Pule, I suspect many Kanaka Maoli are presently engaged for the benefit of us all and I am grateful.
Masara Emoto has written several fascinating books regarding his studies with water and the power of positive words/ prayers. Something to consider reading, if the TVs and internet go out.
One can not explain MANA or QI to someone who has never experienced it........for those that have, they believe in an energy force which may or may not include belief in any organized religion.
RE: Prayer - pam jones - 09-14-2014
Pahoachick I'm very sorry about your Dad.
RE: Prayer - pam jones - 10-13-2014
Had the strangest experience Oct.5th. Visited a church in Pahoa where a prayer meeting was scheduled for noon. Knowing that the Bible says where ever two or more are gathered in his name, the Holy Spirit is present, I figured the entire congregation would show to ask God to keep the lava off the road. My husband and I were the only two who showed up to pray, everyone else had other business. I think there was a "financial meeting" or some such silliness. Have yet to find anywhere in the Bible the call for governing bodies, financial meetings or many of the regular manmade things of Christiandom. Prayer, however, is a huge part of God's plan![:0]
RE: Prayer - Kenney - 10-14-2014
I don't preach, but I do pray every day of my life. No organized religion required. No plans to stop. Mahalo Ke Akua.